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Old 11-30-2011, 07:19 PM
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Why "Mr. Goodbar" in "Looking for Mr. Goodbar"?

The novel and movie of the 70s titled "Looking for Mr. Goodbar" seem to have no connection that I can see to a Hershey chocolate confection. I haven't read the novel or seen the film, so maybe the reference is made clear there, but in reading about the novel and film I don't get the Mr. Goodbar reference.

Can anyone explain?
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:51 PM
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Mr. Goodbar is one of the places she hangs out looking for sex, at least in the book. It was a comfortable place with old gumball-machines for table lamps and one wall covered entirely with a shellacked montage of candy wrappers.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:54 PM
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I never knew about this movie until now. It looks great. I'm going to have to watch it now. Thanks, OP.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:00 PM
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Consider also the phallic suggestiveness of "good bar"
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:15 PM
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Consider also the phallic suggestiveness of "good bar"
One should also consider that Mr. Goodbar has nuts.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:36 PM
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I remember seeing the film in the '70s and thinking it was just awful. Hope you enjoy it more.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:48 PM
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One should also consider that Mr. Goodbar has nuts.
Very true!
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:05 PM
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The name also tied in to her body issues.

I was about 11 when I read it. It may have gotten me started on my love of A&E's Cold Case Files.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:01 PM
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Thanks, all. I wonder if Hershey was ever bothered by the reference.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:33 PM
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You're a kid. It's Halloween. The lady down the street holds out a bowl with a variety of Hershey's products (the tiny ones) and invites you to take one. Won't it be a Mr. Goodbar?
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:33 PM
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I never knew about this movie until now. It looks great. I'm going to have to watch it now. Thanks, OP.
You may have a tough time on that. I don't believe it was ever legally released on DVD.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:35 PM
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Fortunately, one of my DVD players also has a VCR, and I still use it sometimes.
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:17 AM
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It was something of a triple pun. The place, of course. The candy bar and she was looking in the bars of the time for a good man to be her "Mr," although claiming all the time she was above all that.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:43 AM
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This was based on the real life murder of Roseann Quinn in 1973. A school teacher that lead a double life picking up violent guys in seedy bars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseann_Quinn
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:33 AM
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Thanks, all. I wonder if Hershey was ever bothered by the reference.
Nah. I hear their CEO rides the Hershey highway every morning on the way to work.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:46 PM
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I never knew about this movie until now. It looks great. I'm going to have to watch it now. Thanks, OP.
It is great, I think. It's pretty faithful to the book if my memory serves me. I went through a brief fascination with the book, movie, soundtrack and the true story it was based on. Besides the movie as a whole being good, IMO, Diane Keaton is at her most beautiful (or maybe second to Reds from a few years later), the young Richard Gere is fun to watch, a young Tom Berenger is terrifying to watch, a young William Atherton is interesting to watch, TUESDAY WELD is in it! and the soundtrack is absolutely killer. At that time I thought I hated "disco" and was firmly in the "DISCO SUCKS" camp, yet I owned the soundtrack (on 8-track because my car had an 8-track player) and listened to it over and over. They really did use the cream of the crop of songs.

I like the scene where Theresa (Keaton) is sitting at the bar reading The Godfather when she first meets Tony (Gere) and he riffs on it a bit, saying something like "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse." Of course, Keaton had already starred in The Godfather Pts 1 & 2 by that time. I can't remember now if Theresa was reading it in the book or not, or if the filmmakers threw that in as an in-joke.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:00 PM
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I was already quite familiar with young William Atherton from the great miniseries Centennial. Everyone should watch this, it's fantastic.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:11 PM
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The real murder, book and movie was a powerful reminder of the dangers of singles bars in the 70's.

Those were the great days before Aids and the pill made casual sex possible. STD's were around but a shot in the ass cured them. The Singles scene was really big in the 70's. At least that's what I heard while I was stuck in elementary school. Time I got old enough for hooking up the Aids scare had hit.

Another good movie about the 70's single scene is An Unmarried Woman. A recent divorcee enters the singles scene and the movie does a good job showing how shallow and artificial it was.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:19 PM
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It was an ugly, depressing, deeply anti-sexual film, kind of of a piece with Joel Shumaker's "Hardcore" from 1979, showing sex as something that drives you from one ugly, nasty situation to another. If this is the nature of your sex life, I feel for you. And if sex was really as bad as portrayed in these films, the population problem would consist of people having sex often enough to have a population.

And the name? A pun. "Looking for Mr. Good Bar." Looking for Mr. Right (i.e., Good) in a bar.

Gimme a wholesome porn flick any day.

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Old 12-01-2011, 11:59 PM
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Hardcore is a great movie, even if the premise is somewhat flawed. It has great aesthetics, and also - ironically - contains probably the most detailed explanation of Calvinism in any movie ever made. Anything with George C. Scott is worth seeing at least once.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:40 AM
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And the name? A pun. "Looking for Mr. Good Bar." Looking for Mr. Right (i.e., Good) in a bar.
Yeah, that's kinda what I thought it meant.

It is definitely a dark, ugly film, but given the godawful, hokum, mindless crap most 70s movies were (Smokey & the Bandit anyone?) it was strangely a breath of fresh air, in a way. Keaton was her absolute cutest, as was Tuesday Weld. I remember sitting up watching it on HBO in the late 70s just expecting a nudie wank-fest (I was like 13 or 14) and found it totally compelling, even then.


SNL did a hilarious parody of it called The Looking for Mr. Goodbar Sleepy Time Playset! Gilda Radner played like a 12 year old girl and Dan Ackroyd was the off-screen announcer:

Ackroyd: "Now pick up the Diane Keaton doll, drink three tequila sunrises, now go out bar hopping until you get killed."

Radner, after picking up one or two male dolls, picks up one and...

Ackroyd: "Uh-oh! You picked up the blond psychotic homosexual!"

Radner: "Does that mean I win?"

Ackroyd: "No it means you get killed!"

Radner then picks up a GI Joe and fights him off with it...
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:46 AM
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Hardcore is a great movie, even if the premise is somewhat flawed. It has great aesthetics, and also - ironically - contains probably the most detailed explanation of Calvinism in any movie ever made. Anything with George C. Scott is worth seeing at least once.
Well that changes everything! A detailed explanation of Calvinism! If I'd known it was Calvinism porn, I would have understood it was just a fetish I didn't understand, instead of thinking it was a creepy, vile expression of antisexual feeling.
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Old 12-02-2011, 10:06 AM
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Nah. I hear their CEO rides the Hershey highway every morning on the way to work.
422?
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:57 PM
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Mostly everything I had to add has been said but I will reiterate . The movie is interestingly hard to find as it was indeed never released on DVD (your best bet is seeing it on late night cable as it does come up every so often) and it is very very '70s. Specifically Dark 1970s.

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Old 12-02-2011, 03:05 PM
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Mostly everything I had to add has been said but I will reiterate . The movie is interestingly hard to find as it was indeed never released on DVD (your best bet is seeing it on late night cable as it does come up every so often) and it is very very '70s. Specifically Dark 1970s.
No, your best bet is a Netflix subscription.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:16 PM
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No, your best bet is a Netflix subscription.
I didn't realize it was available. If it was mentioned up thread...oops.
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Well that changes everything! A detailed explanation of Calvinism! If I'd known it was Calvinism porn, I would have understood it was just a fetish I didn't understand, instead of thinking it was a creepy, vile expression of antisexual feeling.
Calvinballing!
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:35 PM
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I didn't realize it was available.
My apologies. Checked just now and it's been pulled. I did check when I posted earlier but was at work so couldn't tell for sure.

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Old 12-02-2011, 07:45 PM
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I recall it as a horrible, depressing movie. The man I was dating and I walked out of a showing of it, it made us feel so bad.
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A couple of people have mentioned Tuesday Weld. Anyone looking for a good Tuesday Weld movie should check out Thief. It's a 1981 movie with James Caan playing a bank robber. But it's as much a character drama as a crime thriller.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:18 AM
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Watching now. Wow...Richard Gere's character in this movie is one of the best looking movie characters, male or female, I've ever seen. He's so far on the "pretty" end of the spectrum, it's astonishing that he was almost 30 when he played this role. He looks like a guy I knew in high school.

Diane Keaton isn't bad either. She has the perfect Anglo/Irish face, especially in profile. Blythe Danner has it too. (I wish she was in this movie!)
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Old 12-03-2011, 01:37 AM
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Oh my GOD. The final fifteen minutes of this film - basically from the moment Tom Berenger first shows up until the end - might really and truly be the best piece of cinema I have ever seen. I am dead serious. Was Berenger nominated for or given some kind of award for his performance in this film? If not, he should have been. He should have won the fucking Oscar for his role in this movie.

Berenger's performance is like a David Hurles "Old Reliable" photo in action. Such an unbelievable combination of charm and pure, animalistic, predatory menace. Good God. And the final flickers of Keaton's face as her life fades away - the "last curtains of her dying brain" as J.G. Ballard wrote in Crash - maybe the most powerful portrayal of death I have ever seen on film.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:11 PM
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I usually have a very good 'retroactive' celebrity eye, IOW when an actor becomes A-list I usually remember their older stuff. But when someone in this thread first mentioned him I though, "Tom Berenger? Who was he?". Can't believe he was the killer at the end!

I doubt I've seen it in 25 years but I remember so much of it so vividly. One scene in the middle when she's trying to buy, coke I think, from the big black guy and he asks her for a dime (back then meaning $10) and Keaton literally hands him a dime coin. The black guy takes it and kind of laughs, grabs her purse, takes out $10, gives her purse back with the drugs, looks at the dime he's still holding, then hands it to her and says, "Here, 'case ya gotta call Jesus"!

Something I also now remember: There was a TV commercial, which must have been for the book, that consisted of just a shot of a ransacked bedroom and I think an unmoving woman on the bed (mostly under the covers), and audio of a landlady knocking and calling the woman's name. Then a narrator saying something about how 'She went home with a different guy every night, last night she picked the wrong guy' or something similar.

Anyone remember that?
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:57 AM
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Unfortunately Berenger was not nominated for an Oscar (or anything else) for the role. The film was nominated for 2 Oscars: the Cinematography and Tuesday Weld Best Supporting Actress.
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