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Old 02-09-2012, 12:51 AM
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Casino vs Goodfellas

Which is the best of the two?


On the scale of Robert Deniro playing a serious, calculating man who has to deal with Joe Pesci as a reckless mobsters who's eventually killed by the bosses, both movies have a perfect score.

On the scale of having voiceovers from several characters that explain their thoughts and gives backgrounders on the story and environment, both movies also have a perfect score.


But they do differ in some ways.

In what ways do they differ the most? If we don't take into account that Goodfellas came out before Casino, which one is the better movie?

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Old 02-09-2012, 01:03 AM
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Goodfellas is a much better film IMO. One reason is that it doesnt feature Sharon Stone.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:12 AM
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Those are two different movies?

I love them both, but I really consider them two different incarnations of the exact same thing. Which, I assume, was the point of the OP.

It's like the case of Glenn Close and Meryl Streep. Do we really need both of them?
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:40 AM
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One reason is that it doesnt feature Sharon Stone.
I honestly think Casino was Sharon Stone's finest performance. Maybe her only good one, really. But I was amazed at how well she did and I thought her Best Actress nomination was not out of line. Casino really grew on me as a film and I appreciate it a lot more than when it first came out. It's miles better than The Departed if you ask me.

That said IMHO Goodfellas is still a better movie.

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Goodfellas is a much better film IMO. One reason is that it doesnt feature Sharon Stone.
It is the high point of Casino. IMO it is her best performance and a truly frightening depiction of self-destruction. Stone' performance (no relation, but watch me sit!) is the only reason to even consider Casino. In every other respect Goodfellas is much better.
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Casino is a very cool movie with the only decent Sharon Stone performance ever.

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Goodfellas is a masterpiece.
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:42 AM
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Goodfellas by a long shot. Now quit bustin' our balls.


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Old 02-09-2012, 05:21 AM
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:45 AM
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Goodfellas of course.

Though I do think De Niro had much more to get his teeth into in Casino, it lacked somewhat in comparison. No matter, it was still quality entertainment.

Incidentally, as much as I liked Ray Liotta as Henry Hill (his menacing stride across the road to pistol-whip Karen's groper is a brilliant little vignette) I can't help but think Scorcese's current muse, Leonardo DiCaprio would have been even better.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:06 AM
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Goodfellas by a mile. The entire sequence from when Henry notices the helicopters until he gets arrested in his driveway are as good a 20 minutes as you'll find in a movie.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:20 AM
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Goodfellas' script is a far richer and more generous story. I know they're both based on true events, but Hill clearly had the better story to tell.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:33 AM
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As much as I like both, Goodfellas was just a tighter story; Casino seemed to "sprawl" a bit all over the place. That's about the best way I can describe it.
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Casino is a good film. Goodfellas is a great film.

One point which Goodfellas clearly wins out on and is one of the things that puts it over the top is conciseness. It may be over 2 hours long, but it feels much shorter because each scene flows into the next and every single one of them is deals with the same main characters. You know what it's about. You know who these people are and what they're up to. And most of all you know who the main protagonist is.

Casino OTOH, while only 30 minutes longer than Goodfellas, feels like it goes on for an eternity and is all over the place. Is it about Jimmy, is it about Nicky, is it about the bosses back East, is it about Ginger and Lester, I don't know because it keeps jumping around from one character to the next. It's a much more ambitious story, but because of this it becomes very unfocused as more and more characters are added. While there are many interesting and entertaining scenes, I find myself skipping ahead or changing the channel for a while and coming back because the movie is filled with long boring stretches where I just don't care what's happening with these people.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:57 AM
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Goodfellas had a momentum that Casino lacked.

Goodfellas was more careful to draw distinctions between those in the mob life and not in the mob life and additionally, distinctions within the mob life.

There was little humor in Casino and there was little to like about Rothstein. Pesci and Liotta were great together. I guess Deniro had similar roles as the humorless outsider big earner worry-wart and it was a bigger role in Casino (to it's detriment). In short, Goodfellas was more fun.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:02 AM
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I'll go with Goodfellas as the better movie overall.

But Casino has the one of the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen in a movie - you know the kind of scene where you forget that it's special effects because it's that freakin' disturbing - when Joe Pesci's character and his brother & buddies are beaten with baseball bats and thrown in the hole. When Pesci's character is begging the killer to stop his brother's suffering. One of the few scenes in a movie that even thinking about it makes my heart race and my skin crawl. THAT'S some excellent filmmaking there.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:21 PM
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Casino was a good film

Goodfellas is an American Classic.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:40 PM
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Echoing others: Casino is a very good film (and yes, Sharon Stone is terrific in it). But GoodFellas is a masterpiece, on a whole other plane.
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Casino feels like it's trying to recapture many of the brilliances of Goodfellas. It's an attempt to recapture the same magic... and that never really quite works, does it?

On its own it's a fine movie, but it's still just an attempt to do it again.

I agree, too, that the movie suffers from the lack of a protagonist we can empathize with. You can put yourself in Henry Hill's shoes; Henry Hill may be a gangster, but he's not an evil person, and he's appealing. Lorraine Bracco puts it best, really; she knew he was a gangster, but it turned her on. He's a bad guy but in an exciting, sexy way. He's charming and handsome, and in the end he doesn't try to murder his friends.

But in Casino, who do you empathize with? Rothstein is wholly unsympathetic; he seems to love his daughter but we barely notice that. He's an asshole, a tyrant, he buys a wife, and there's nothing appealing about him at all. He's competent, but wholly unlikable. And there's nobody else to like either; Joe Pesci's character is a monster, and Sharon Stone's character (and I think she was great) is an awful human being in every way.

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Old 02-09-2012, 01:08 PM
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I like them both a lot, but I went with Casino just because you get to see somebody beat up Don Rickles. I sometimes conflate the two though; for example, I'll remember the scene with Pesci and his [character's] mom from Casino then remember "Wait, that was Goodfellas.

I know a close relative of Tommy DeSimone, the real life man Joe Pesci's character in Casino was based on. I think she's a significantly younger first cousin of his, though she might be the daughter of a first cousin; in any case, she knew him fairly well when she was a kid. Talking about him once she talked about how funny he was and how generous he was- she'd see him once every few months but when she did he'd have expensive presents- well chosen ones- for her and her brother and sisters, or if he didn't have presents when he saw them he'd peel off some cash and send somebody (a buddy or another relative) out and they'd come with expensive presents; he was super affectionate to everybody in the family and an insanely generous tipper when they went out to eat, etc..

I knew the official record on him and I'd read the book Casino and had no doubts the real DeSimone was a monster, but trying to be diplomatic I said a non-committal "Your family must have been really upset at how Pesci portrayed him", to which she said "Oh no... oh no... well, they weren't nuts about him being portrayed at all, but everybody knew where Tommy's money came from and that when he wasn't being the sweetest guy you ever met he was a psychotic lbastard that the other [mobsters] were afraid of. If half the stories the family tells about him are true he was ten times as evil as the guy Pesci played."

I always admire people capable of seeing their loved ones objectively.
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Pardon- the above should have been DeSimone was the guy from Goodfellas- I got them confused again. (It was Pesci in Goodfellas.)
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:26 PM
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Pardon- the above should have been DeSimone was the guy from Goodfellas- I got them confused again. (It was Pesci in Goodfellas.)
Right.The character Pesci played in Casino was based on Anthony "the Ant" Spilotro ( who does sort of vaguely look like Pesci IMO ).

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Old 02-09-2012, 02:36 PM
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Both are great movies, but Goodfellas is the best mob movie ever. That said, Casino does have more memorable scenes, imo.
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I know a close relative of Tommy DeSimone, the real life man Joe Pesci's character in Casino was based on.
You're conflating the two again. Pesci's character in Casino was based on Tony "The Ant" Spilotro. DeSimone is who he was portraying in Goodfellas.
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You're conflating the two again. Pesci's character in Casino was based on Tony "The Ant" Spilotro. DeSimone is who he was portraying in Goodfellas.
Oh, d'oh. I see you corrected yourself in a follow-up post. I blame the cold medicine I'm currently doped up on. Carry on.
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Goodfellas. I could watch it continuously and not get bored. Casino requires a deliberate effort to pay attention sometimes.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:18 PM
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Casino had the better soundtrack, imo.
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Obviously they were based on two historically different people. But let's face it, as far as archetypes go, it was the same reckless hoodlum.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:36 PM
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Goodfellas is far and away the better film. But then again, Goodfellas is really kind of in a class of it's own.

Having said that, I've always felt that Casino was an underappreciated classic. I have the DVD and if I happen to catch it on TV, I'll stop and watch.

Anyway, I think it was Gene Siskel who said at the time, that if had been made by some unknown director you would have been amazed. But because it's a gangster flick by Scorsese and invites the inevitable comparisons to Goodfellas, which had come out just a few years before, it didn't quite measure up.

It's not a masterpiece. But taken on its own merits, it's still a very good movie.

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Let's see....Goodfellas or Casino....I'll have to go with The Godfather.

No, but seriously--despite the fact that Sharon Stone's character constantly, mercilessly reminds me of the worst romantic entanglement I ever experienced, I have to say that Casino was the better film. But because of that I'd much rather watch Goodfellas.

Maybe if Hill's mistress's character were more fleshed out, I could be equally as squeemish about both films.
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I honestly think Casino was Sharon Stone's finest performance. Maybe her only good one, really. But I was amazed at how well she did and I thought her Best Actress nomination was not out of line. Casino really grew on me as a film and I appreciate it a lot more than when it first came out. It's miles better than The Departed if you ask me.

That said IMHO Goodfellas is still a better movie.
No freakin' way. Comparing anyone in Casino to Leonardo DiCaprio's performance in The Departed is an insult.
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No freakin' way. Comparing anyone in Casino to Leonardo DiCaprio's performance in The Departed is an insult.
I think The Departed is a much under-rated movie. I'd put it below Goodfellas but above Casino.
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Gotta go with almost everyone else.

I really like Casino but Goodfella's was one of the top 2 cinema experiences of my life. It blew me away. My new girlfriend at the time who I really really fancied and thought that night was the night I'd finally get to have sex with her. She was freaked out when Henry smashed the guy with the gun and said she had to leave. I said sorry but I had to stay as this was the best movie I'd ever seen. She stayed but no sex that night alas
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Both are great films, but Goodfellas was based on actual incidents, and gets the edge for that.
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Both are great films, but Goodfellas was based on actual incidents, and gets the edge for that.
Casino was also based on a true story. In fact the same guy who wrote the book Wiseguy (upon which Goodfellas is based), also wrote Casino.
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I picked Casino because it was the better film with better acting but it's close. It would be interesting to see the results if "I can't pick one over the other" was a choice.
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I like them both a lot, but I went with Casino just because you get to see somebody beat up Don Rickles. I sometimes conflate the two though; for example, I'll remember the scene with Pesci and his [character's] mom from Casino then remember "Wait, that was Goodfellas.

I know a close relative of Tommy DeSimone, the real life man Joe Pesci's character in Casino was based on. I think she's a significantly younger first cousin of his, though she might be the daughter of a first cousin; in any case, she knew him fairly well when she was a kid. Talking about him once she talked about how funny he was and how generous he was- she'd see him once every few months but when she did he'd have expensive presents- well chosen ones- for her and her brother and sisters, or if he didn't have presents when he saw them he'd peel off some cash and send somebody (a buddy or another relative) out and they'd come with expensive presents; he was super affectionate to everybody in the family and an insanely generous tipper when they went out to eat, etc..

I knew the official record on him and I'd read the book Casino and had no doubts the real DeSimone was a monster, but trying to be diplomatic I said a non-committal "Your family must have been really upset at how Pesci portrayed him", to which she said "Oh no... oh no... well, they weren't nuts about him being portrayed at all, but everybody knew where Tommy's money came from and that when he wasn't being the sweetest guy you ever met he was a psychotic lbastard that the other [mobsters] were afraid of. If half the stories the family tells about him are true he was ten times as evil as the guy Pesci played."

I always admire people capable of seeing their loved ones objectively.
Hate to pick nits, but Tommy DeSimone was from Goodfellas, not Casino.
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Casino is a very cool movie with the only decent Sharon Stone performance ever.

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Goodfellas is a masterpiece.
A lot of negative comments about Sharon Stone in this thread; am I the only one who thought she was great in Basic Instinct?
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A lot of negative comments about Sharon Stone in this thread; am I the only one who thought she was great in Basic Instinct?
She fit the role well. I guess she's good at the "good looking woman you want to stay away from" role.
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Without a doubt, Goodfellas. Now go home and get your fuckin' shine box.
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Casino is a good movie. Goodfellas, however, is a perfect movie -literally every shot in the movie adds to the overall story and feel.

Directors aspire to be as good as Scorcese was with Goodfellas, I don't think anyone aspires to be as good as he was with Casino.

That Dances With Wolves won best picture that year is a travesty that Academy voters should be ashamed of.

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That Dances With Wolves won best picture that year is a travesty that Academy voters should be ashamed of.
That never happened.......never happened hear?

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While both films of course had voiceovers, am I wrong in remembering Casino's was very intrusive, so much so that it's all I can really remember about it? What I seem to remember is me yelling at the screen for them all to shut the fuck up so I could enjoy the movie. I could be completely wrong here.
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I like them both a lot, but I went with Casino just because you get to see somebody beat up Don Rickles.
Casino also has Joe Bob Briggs. Still gotta go with Goodfellas, though.
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Such a silly question....

Goodfellas is the much better movie, without a shadow of a doubt.

Now, go get your fuckin shinebox!!
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Goodfellas, like most others, gets the nod. But I'm not as sloppy in love with it as many of you are mainly because the female lead, Lorraine Brocco, was a terrible choice, and her slow, deliberate speech delivery ruined every scene she was in. She ruined the Sopranos in the same fashion, and I continue to be fascinated that she negatively impacted two iconic mob stories.


As for Casino, Stone gets no love from me. I thought she wss better in Basic Instinct. She did, however, prove to be perfectly unlikeable in Casino, so if that was her job, she did it well. She just doesn't work for me as the woman you have to have.


Whoever said Casino didnt have one likable character hit the nail on the head. I really disliked every character in that movie, including support Chars. Like Don Rickles.
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Right.The character Pesci played in Casino was based on Anthony "the Ant" Spilotro ( who does sort of vaguely look like Pesci IMO ).
One other factoid: Pesci grew up in New Jersey, was once an aspiring singer, and was very friendly with Frankie Valli and the 4 Seasons.

One of the 4 Seasons was Tommy DeVito... and Joe named his character in Goodfellas honor of his Jersey Boy pal.
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The only thing I think Casino did well was the split narration.

The rest is overly long and plodding.
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