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Old 04-30-2013, 01:37 PM
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Opinions on a two seat car as a daily driver

Ok, so I'm looking at a new Subaru BRZ, test drove one a few days ago, and am trying hard to talk myself out of an impulse decision to buy.

Pros: very, very fun car to drive. I drive a lot (long commute), and a lot of times when I get home and have nothing to do, I'll drive some more. I just love driving (in a fun car). Also, it gets great fuel economy and has the great Subaru/Toyota quality I'm used to (on my 4th Subaru now).

Cons: it has rear seats in name only; there is literally no leg room if an adult is sitting in the seat in front. Another con: rear wheel drive in the N.E. winters. Not a huge deal, given I work from home when it snows. Also, I don't mind the expense of snow tires.

The no back seat part is really making me question it. Granted, if I did the math, I'd see that probably 85% of my yearly driving is alone, with another 14% with one other person, and that last 1% with a total of 3 in the car. It's also true that every time there is more than one passenger, it is always possible for one of the others to drive us all.

Hmmm... what a fun little car! So has anyone else made due with only two seats? better yet, anyone here own a BRZ?

On the plus side, the trunk is quite large.
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:48 PM
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I owned a Honda CRX for about 14 years: no back seat at all in those. It was only ever a problem after I had kids. Up till then I had no issues.

Like you mention, most of the time I drove myself around, or one other person only. If a group of us had to get somewhere it wasn't in my car.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:05 PM
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I have a Volvo C30. Altho the back seats are comfy, they are hard to get into, and i enjoy the panoramic view I get with them folded down.

Thus, I keep them down about 99% of the time, and have done so for 4 years. Works fine.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:14 PM
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We have a Miata in our 2 person, 1 car household and love it. Going on 2 years with it now and it hasn't been an issue.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:43 PM
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I've got a Miata and love it. No issues.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:49 PM
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Oh man, you guys are making it very difficult for me to resist the urge to buy.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:52 PM
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I drove a Honda del Sol for 8 yrs and never had an issue with it as a daily driver. My husband had a car with a backseat and my mother in law had an SUV if we needed more room.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:52 PM
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Are you really trying to convince yourself not to buy it? It's a fun car to drive but it could use a little more low-end grunt. I believe Toyobaru recommends 93 octane fuel. Apparently it doesn't handle that well in the winter.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:02 PM
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A couple of weeks ago I went from a Nissan 350Z convertible (NO back seats) to a Lexus SC430, which has the kind of back seats you are considering: technically someone could ride there, and my teenage nephew has for short rides, but no adult of any size could ride there for more than a half-hour, tops. At least in the SC, the issue isn't just about leg room; the back of the rear seat is near-vertical, which looks torturous.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:14 PM
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I went several years and many cross-country trips with a Sprite. But considering I did the same basic thing for more years with just a Harley I could be a bad example. How often are you going to buy a large something (bookcase, stove, whatever) and actually haul it home yourself rather than have it delivered? If the answer is rarely, go for it!
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:22 PM
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I had a '69 Vette, a couple of Nissan Zs and an 560 SL for many years each. I was always able to make do with that because if there's a will...

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Old 04-30-2013, 03:29 PM
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I have a 2012 Mustang coupe as my daily driver, in Chicago. Part of the reason I got it was that I had changed jobs, and went from a train commute, to a 35-minute drive each way to my new office...I wanted something fun to drive. And, it definitely has been great fun to drive; I love this car!

With traction control and good winter tires on the rear, traction has generally not been a big problem in the snow, though I would be a little hesitant to take the 'Stang out in seriously snowy conditions.

It's just my wife and me in our household, so the little rear seats don't come up as an issue very often. They're habitable enough for at least some adults on short trips (15 minutes or less). If we know we need to have room for more than the two of us for any length of time, we take her car (a Mazda CX7 crossover SUV).
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:42 PM
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How odd, I was looking at one of those cars myself earlier (though its badged differently over here as the GT86). It looks like a really fun car.

I used to own a Toyota MR2 Turbo, no rear-seats at all and rear-engine and that was a great little car, not very practical but really fun to drive (if 'exciting' at times as it lacked any sort of electronic stability control or even ABS )

Unfortunately my dad ended up putting it over a hedge when out for a drive in it...still only fair as I wrought-off one of his cars a few years before that.

It was repaired but never drove quite the same since and I sold it to 'upgrade' to a Mitsubishi Evo VI, which while technically the better car in almost every sense wasn't nearly as much fun to drive.

Anyway, I digress, you know my opinion already...buy it!
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:50 PM
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First thing I did in my van was take out the second row of seats and fold down the third row to make room for my dogs to ride, so I essentially have a two seater. Strangely, very few people ask for rides in the mutt-mobile, so I haven't missed the extra passenger capacity.

If you want the car, buy it, enjoy it and if you need something bigger to haul cargo, rent it for a day with all the money you saved driving a small car.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:39 PM
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A long commute and mostly alone? A 2-seater that gets good mileage and is fun is a no-brainer.

Personally, I'd spring for a convertible, but that's me. Some folks are topless folks, the rest want to be couped up. Heh, heh.

Mrs. takes our topless 2-seater most days, but I've got more where that came from.
The Yukon is for hauling people and stuff, the sedan is for dinner for 2 or 4, and most of the rest is 2-seat fun. If you have to drive, it may as well be fun.

Can I interest you in motorcycling? Great handling and mileage to be had!
Plus, if you take anyone to lunch, they have to hold you tight. Just make sure it's not Bob from accounting.

NTTAWWT!
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:06 PM
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A long commute and mostly alone? A 2-seater that gets good mileage and is fun is a no-brainer.

Personally, I'd spring for a convertible, but that's me. Some folks are topless folks, the rest want to be couped up. Heh, heh.

Mrs. takes our topless 2-seater most days, but I've got more where that came from.
The Yukon is for hauling people and stuff, the sedan is for dinner for 2 or 4, and most of the rest is 2-seat fun. If you have to drive, it may as well be fun.

Can I interest you in motorcycling? Great handling and mileage to be had!
Plus, if you take anyone to lunch, they have to hold you tight. Just make sure it's not Bob from accounting.

NTTAWWT!
I have a motorcycle: a V-Strom 1000.

I'm going to start looking for a deal on a BRZ tomorrow.
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Old 05-01-2013, 02:35 AM
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Good decision. I also had a motorcycle as my only transportation for four years, a series of Triumphs. A friend of mine had an Austin Healey Bug Eyed Sprite as his only transport for two of those years. Talk about small!

When either of us needed to haul something larger, we would borrow my brothers 1962 Chevy pickup. if we wanted to haul more then four folks, we borrowed his sister's Volvo wagon. Neither of these rigs were borrowed by us very often.

Since you have other rigs, you are good to go. Happy hunting, I hope you find just the right BRZ.
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Old 05-01-2013, 02:56 AM
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I drove a BMW M Roadster for 10 years, loved every single day of it! Do it, just have friends with trucks or rent one if needed.
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Old 05-01-2013, 03:12 AM
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I owned a Honda CRX for about 14 years: no back seat at all in those. It was only ever a problem after I had kids. Up till then I had no issues.
Not sure I see the problem. I had a CRX too and I'm pretty sure you could get after market roof racks for them.

Sparky, I'll admit I'm biased, but I would urge you to check out a Civic Si. It has the same horse power, is about $2-3k cheaper assuming that you can even get a BRZ at list price and according to Kelly Blue Book, the 5 year cost of ownership is about $6k cheaper.

I have a 2008 that has an engine with the same rated horsepower. Didn't check the curb weights, but even with my spastic shifting, I can squeeze out 0-60 times in the 6.5 area. It's technically a 4-seater but a coupe, so not nearly as sexy, but if the practical aspect ends up keeping you awake . . .

Plus, the 6 speed is as slippery as an extra from a bad 70's porno (BOW-CHICKA-BOW-WOW!)

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Old 05-01-2013, 05:27 AM
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If we're speaking about mildly expensive only ...

New car(or relatively new) :
GT/FT86 (technically a four seater, has some acceptable rear seating)
S2000

Old Car :
Supra MKIV
Nissan 350z (Fairlady 300)

You're going to run into the false rear seats issue in many types of these affordable cars for the insurance purposes.

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Old 05-01-2013, 08:34 AM
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I had a corvette between the ages of 19 and 23 and the impracticalities of having it as my only vehicle really limited the appeal of driving a corvette convertible in my youth. Aside from the lack of space, it didn't really even handle rain well, let alone snow. Just not worth the fun. Plus people attacked it just out of cruelty.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:15 AM
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My husband's daily driver is a scion frs. We live in rural Maine, and he drove it most of the winter, with stock tires (his commute is 30 miles each way.) We love that little car! You can squeeze an adult in the back if you must, so for the 1% of the time you would need it, it will work.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:21 AM
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My husband's daily driver is a scion frs. We live in rural Maine, and he drove it most of the winter, with stock tires (his commute is 30 miles each way.) We love that little car! You can squeeze an adult in the back if you must, so for the 1% of the time you would need it, it will work.
The BRZ is the Subaru version of the FRS. Good to hear you like yours.

Here's hoping I can make the numbers work and purchase one.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:38 AM
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Resistance is useless. Some people enjoy driving, other people buy nondescript boxes with 4 wheels and an adequate (sometimes) motor because they're into something else.

Buy the car, enjoy yourself. My first (new) vehicle was a 2-seater pickup I bought in 1989. Know how often I used the 4WD or the box part of the truck? Not nearly often enough to have made it a better choice than a supercharged 1st generation MR2. It was a great truck, but I truly regret opting for practicality.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:45 AM
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There are several (okay, a shit load of) things available to an unmarried and/or childless couple that won't be an option later because of kids, professional responsibilities, declining faculties, etc. If you have any desire to experience these, do them while you're young and enjoy every minute of it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:53 AM
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The BRZ is the Subaru version of the FRS.
Aren't they both technically Toyotas with Subaru engines and slightly different cosmetics/badging (kinda like 80's-90's Firebird/Camaro)?
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:03 AM
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Mini Cooper hatchback. Strictly a two-seater.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:06 AM
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Aren't they both technically Toyotas with Subaru engines and slightly different cosmetics/badging (kinda like 80's-90's Firebird/Camaro)?
Yes and no. I think the Scion is a bit more sport oriented, with a slightly different suspension tune (I think).
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:35 AM
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Yes and no. I think the Scion is a bit more sport oriented, with a slightly different suspension tune (I think).
They do supposedly have slightly different spring rates and shock dampening, but I've read some reviews and people can't seem tell a difference. The Subaru comes standard with navigation, HIDs, LED driving lights, and some nicer interior trim, which explains the more expensive price and why they're billing it as a more mature version. All the greasy bits are the same, though. Subaru did the bulk of the engineering; it started out life as an Impreza, was converted to RWD, and Toyota bolted their direct injection system onto the motor in order to get it up to 200hp while still meeting emissions standards. Toyota, aside from the DI system, brought their designers, their vision, and most importantly, a large wad of cash to the table. But all of the engineering credit should go to Subaru. Here's some horrifying pictures of one of their development mules, which is still mostly Impreza at that point. Yuck.

Anyway, I got to drive a BR-Z a few weeks ago and thought it was a great car. As for two-seaters, if you regularly go out to lunch with 3 other guys, you're never going to drive again, and they may resent you for that. Other than that scenario, I've never had a problem with 2 seats (until I had kids).
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:46 AM
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Ok, so I'm looking at a new Subaru BRZ, test drove one a few days ago, and am trying hard to talk myself out of an impulse decision to buy.

Pros: very, very fun car to drive. I drive a lot (long commute), and a lot of times when I get home and have nothing to do, I'll drive some more. I just love driving (in a fun car). Also, it gets great fuel economy and has the great Subaru/Toyota quality I'm used to (on my 4th Subaru now).

Cons: it has rear seats in name only; there is literally no leg room if an adult is sitting in the seat in front. Another con: rear wheel drive in the N.E. winters. Not a huge deal, given I work from home when it snows. Also, I don't mind the expense of snow tires.

The no back seat part is really making me question it. Granted, if I did the math, I'd see that probably 85% of my yearly driving is alone, with another 14% with one other person, and that last 1% with a total of 3 in the car. It's also true that every time there is more than one passenger, it is always possible for one of the others to drive us all.

Hmmm... what a fun little car! So has anyone else made due with only two seats? better yet, anyone here own a BRZ?

On the plus side, the trunk is quite large.
My previous vehicle was a 1996 Nissan Hardbody pickup. It had one bench seat, supposedly three could fit, but it was a five speed manual transmission, so that middle seat was pretty much useless due to the presence of the gear shifter. I, like you, enjoy driving, but most of my driving is either alone, or with only one other person. I say, if you like the car, go for it. It's not your duty to chauffeur others around, anyway.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:05 AM
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I decided to go for it last night.

BTW, what a fun little car!
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:25 AM
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Sweet! I briefly tried to convince my SO that the BR-Z would be a very practical commuter since everyone knows how good Subarus are in the snow.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:44 AM
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Sweet! I briefly tried to convince my SO that the BR-Z would be a very practical commuter since everyone knows how good Subarus are in the snow.
I really think it will do well with snow tires. The car is really responsive and I really feel completely in control when driving it (which is an incredible feeling).
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I really think it will do well with snow tires. The car is really responsive and I really feel completely in control when driving it (which is an incredible feeling).
I think you're right, but it's funny that for years now Subaru has been selling nothing but AWD cars that are amazing in the snow and now they come out with this light, powerful, RWD donut-spinning machine.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:55 AM
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What the Hell? A Subaru without AWD????
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:59 PM
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What the Hell? A Subaru without AWD????
Subaru made a lot of front-wheel drive cars. 1996 was the first year they had a 100% AWD lineup, so less than 20 years ago you could buy a FWD Impreza. And that's just in North America; in the rest of the world, Subaru isn't synonymous with AWD.

This is, of course, the first RWD Subaru in a long time; probably since the 360 went out of production in (checks wiki) 1971.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:25 PM
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I think you're right, but it's funny that for years now Subaru has been selling nothing but AWD cars that are amazing in the snow and now they come out with this light, powerful, RWD donut-spinning machine.
It's funny, my first two Impreza models (1997 base and 2001 2.5RS) were quite easy to spin out with in the snow when taking off. Having said that, they were easy to correct with steering input and letting all the tires find grip, but it took a while to get good at it.

However, in normal snow driving, they were incredible. There were quite a few cases where I made it down unplowed roads, as if I was in a snowmobile.

My last Impreza (2008 2.5i) had traction control. I could do whatever I wanted with that car in the snow. Literally just stomp the gas and let the traction control sort things out. That was fun on empty roads!
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:52 PM
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I have trouble believing any RWD car can handle snow very well. I've driven older RWD cars that could get stuck on a patch of ice. The only exception were the massive Mercedes diesels I occasionally drove that belonged to the partners at a law firm I worked for in the 80's.

Since then, I've always had FWD Honda's and those can handle almost any situation. Of course you sacrifice balance and some handling as a result, but I'm more than happy with the trade off.

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Old 05-11-2013, 07:27 PM
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I've owned three 2-seaters in 23 years of driving, starting with my first car when I was 15. They were all the same make/model, Honda CRX, but different model years- first was an '85, then '90 and '91 models. Only the first one, the '85, was my primary (only) vehicle. I bought the '90 and '91 models (in '02 and '98, respectively) as commuter vehicles, but I also had a larger vehicle at the same time. In reality, the only time I used those larger cars (both Accords) was for road trips and that was about it!

But most 2-seaters today are comfortable enough to drive anywhere. Creature comforts were NOT something the CRX was known for...the only thing 'power' was the brakes, not even power steering....I take that back, two of them had a power sunroof, but no power windows, mirrors, locks, etc. They were a blast to drive, the seats were rock hard, but somewhat supportive and even the high-performance Si versions that I preferred could hit 40mpg+ easily on the highway. I'd hate to see them in a crash test, though...

I took a test drive last year in the Honda CR-Z, which is a 2-seat hybrid. I was impressed with the ride and handling and even the level of comfort. But it had the least attractive characteristics of a hybrid, (SLLLLOOOOWWWW acceleration) without the primary benefit (the fuel economy sucked for a hybrid, even a regular Mazda3 gets better mpg)! If Honda would scrap the half-hearted attempt at making a 'sporty' hybrid and put a proper, high-revving VTEC screamer under the hood, I'd be first in line to buy one!

So I think buying something like a Subaru BRZ as a daily driver is very practical! FAR more practical than all the people I KNOW who are single with no children but still drive mid/full-size SUVs!!! The BRZ (and Scion FR-S twin) have also performed VERY well in crash tests! So they're a safe choice!
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:01 AM
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Almost 4 months with my little BRZ.

I love this car!

The two seat aspect hasn't been an issue. And I have actually fit someone in the back seat (she sat across the seats with the seat belt fastened and said it was quite comfortable). My nephews actually fit fine back there.

I'm currently averaging 31 mpg in mixed driving and with a very heavy foot (it displays 40 mpg on the highway with a reset and cruising at 65 mph).

I'm planning a weekend in Vermont in a few days and will enjoy driving all over. So, I'm happy with my purchase.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:22 AM
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Cool. I'm envious!
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:27 AM
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Driving a great handling car in Vermont is one of life's greatest pleasures. I've no doubt you'll enjoy it in your BRZ. If you've never been before, I encourage you to take the scenic drive through Smuggler's Notch and Stowe. There's a road that connects one to the other and it's so narrow and steep that it's closed in winter because there is no room to clear the piles of snow that accumulate. I've been on that road on both a road bike and a car many times. It's lovely. As are many other roads in the area.

Have fun and keep it shiny side up!

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Driving a great handling car in Vermont is one of life's greatest pleasures. I've no doubt you'll enjoy it in your BRZ. If you've never been before, I encourage you to take the scenic drive through Smuggler's Notch and Stowe. There's a road that connects one to the other and it's so narrow and steep that it's closed in winter because there is no room to clear the piles of snow that accumulate. I've been on that road on both a road bike and a car many times. It's lovely. As are many other roads in the area.

Have fun and keep it shiny side up!
Thanks. I've been all over VT by motorcycle and really love the roads (they're almost as good as Ireland).

And here she is:

BRZ
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Sweet.

Bonus points for buying the correct colour.
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