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Old 02-27-2014, 12:13 AM
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Meatballs (1979)

Better than I even remembered. I think the "serious, sincere scenes" (mostly his work with Chris Makepeace) are actually Murray's finest. I know people love him in 'Rushmore' and 'Lost in Translation'...I know he was trying his best in 'The Razor's Edge'

...but I've always found his serious work the teeniest bit forced and distant. Even when he wasn't being distant on purpose, it just didn't connect 100% for me.

But I found his work with Chris Makepeace to be touching even. Admittedly, I may have been influenced by the nice late 70's score playing over the scenes.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:18 AM
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"It just doesn't matter!!!"
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:58 AM
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"It just doesn't matter!!!"
I've always thought that was one of his best ... rants? Soliloquies? Inspirational, motivational something? Anyway, certainly a rival to John Belushi's "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? in my view.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:52 AM
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That movie could have been just a silly comedy (and that's what the inferior sequels were). But it managed to transcend that. I liked Murray's on-camera interview at the beginning, pretending to represent the expensive camp, and describing the "Sexual Awareness Week". And the PA announcement that one of the campers successfully identified the mystery meat.

But one question. At one point all of the CITs went on an overnight canoe trip. So who was left back at the camp with the campers?
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The actual counsellors, who we really never see much of. CIT means "In Training," remember.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:25 AM
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I thought most of the characters in the movie were regular counselors, not CITs, including Tripper, Spaz, Candance, Crockett, Wheels and so forth. For the most part they seemed to be late teens or early 20s; too old to be CITs.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:40 AM
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That movie could have been just a silly comedy (and that's what the inferior sequels were). But it managed to transcend that. I liked Murray's on-camera interview at the beginning, pretending to represent the expensive camp, and describing the "Sexual Awareness Week". And the PA announcement that one of the campers successfully identified the mystery meat.

But one question. At one point all of the CITs went on an overnight canoe trip. So who was left back at the camp with the campers?
Rudy of course. He ran the whole shebang.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:44 AM
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Kind of dated with a few funny moments.Definitely reflects mindsets of another generation.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:09 PM
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I thought most of the characters in the movie were regular counselors, not CITs, including Tripper, Spaz, Candance, Crockett, Wheels and so forth. For the most part they seemed to be late teens or early 20s; too old to be CITs.
But they had a whole song about being CITs:

"We are the C I Ts so pity us
The kids are brats the food is hideous
We're gonna smoke and drink and fool around (we're nookie bound)
We are the North Star C I Ts!"

I remember seeing this as a young teenager and falling in love with Kristine DeBell, only to find out some 20 years later that she had done porn before Meatballs.
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But they had a whole song about being CITs:

"We are the C I Ts so pity us
The kids are brats the food is hideous
We're gonna smoke and drink and fool around (we're nookie bound)
We are the North Star C I Ts!"

I remember seeing this as a young teenager and falling in love with Kristine DeBell, only to find out some 20 years later that she had done porn before Meatballs.
I just sang this for a friend on Tuesday. He seemed amazed (horrified?) that I hadn't seen the movie in 30 years but still remembered the song.
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The actual counsellors, who we really never see much of. CIT means "In Training," remember.
"We are the C.I.T.s so pity us..."
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:16 PM
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But they had a whole song about being CITs:

"We are the C I Ts so pity us
The kids are brats the food is hideous
We're gonna smoke and drink and fool around (we're nookie bound)
We are the North Star C I Ts!"

I remember seeing this as a young teenager and falling in love with Kristine DeBell, only to find out some 20 years later that she had done porn before Meatballs.
Which one is Kristine? The platinum blonde?

Tripper and Roxxane are head counselors. I guess Murray and some unseen counselors (?) were in charge.

I have a soft spot for 'coming of age' films from that era. Such as "Fandango". I should probably see "Breaking Away" since I heard such good things about it.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:40 PM
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Which one is Kristine? The platinum blonde?

Tripper and Roxxane are head counselors. I guess Murray and some unseen counselors (?) were in charge.

I have a soft spot for 'coming of age' films from that era. Such as "Fandango". I should probably see "Breaking Away" since I heard such good things about it.
Kristine was AL, sitting in the center in this picture.

I think you meant Morty was in charge.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:02 PM
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I remember that movie! Yes, Murray is very good. His scenes with Rudy ("You must be the short depressed kid we ordered") were right on the mark. I esp. liked the escalating stunts of stranding the sleeping camp director here and there around the camp. I was a summer camp counselor myself not long after it came out, and only wish we'd had a Murrayesque guy on staff.
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For some reason, every time I see the actor that played Hardware, I always say "That's Hardware!" I don't know why I've tied him so closely to that role, b/c since then I've seen him in just about everything.
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I remember seeing this as a young teenager and falling in love with Kristine DeBell, only to find out some 20 years later that she had done porn before Meatballs.
She did one x-rated movie called "Alice in Wonderland: An X-Rated Musical Comedy", that was originally literally "X" rated, but with 3 minutes edited out, ended up rated "R".

I'm pretty sure it was soft porn at best, and maybe not even that by today's standards.
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Do they ever explain the meaning of the movie's title, BTW?
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She did one x-rated movie called "Alice in Wonderland: An X-Rated Musical Comedy", that was originally literally "X" rated, but with 3 minutes edited out, ended up rated "R".

I'm pretty sure it was soft porn at best, and maybe not even that by today's standards.
Nope. I own it. It was definitely hard-core porn, just with a plot and music.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:30 PM
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But they had a whole song about being CITs:

"We are the C I Ts so pity us
The kids are brats the food is hideous
We're gonna smoke and drink and fool around (we're nookie bound)
We are the North Star C I Ts!"

I remember seeing this as a young teenager and falling in love with Kristine DeBell, only to find out some 20 years later that she had done porn before Meatballs.
At my college we had a couple of North Star Advantages.

I used to sing

We are the CRTs so pity us.
The programs crash the code is hideous.
We're gonna smoke and spark and then break down (we're I/O bound)
We're North Star CRTs!
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:32 PM
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Nope. I own it. It was definitely hard-core porn, just with a plot and music.
And is she just as hawt as I see her in my mind's eye?
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:34 PM
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FWIW, it's by no means difficult to find several of her scenes on various websites.
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Do they ever explain the meaning of the movie's title, BTW?
I don't remember any explanation in the story, but perhaps meatballs are the sort of thing commonly served in the cafeteria (and a place to use the "mystery meat").
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:35 PM
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I didn't think so.

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FWIW, it's by no means difficult to find several of her scenes on various websites.
Any virus-free ones you can suggest? PM me, if you like. Thanks!
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:38 PM
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I was actually in Meatballs. I was a kid, going to Camp White Pine (where it was filmed). I got paid a shiny $1 bill to be an extra.

Sadly, while I met the stars acting in it, and I assume I appear in the background in a couple of scenes, I have absolutely no memories of it whatsoever.
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If you've seen the movie, go back and watch it with Ivan Reitman's commentary track -- definitely worth a listen.
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Do they ever explain the meaning of the movie's title, BTW?
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I don't remember any explanation in the story, but perhaps meatballs are the sort of thing commonly served in the cafeteria (and a place to use the "mystery meat").
There is a Meatballs Online website, which looks to be a fan site, but also seems to be quite thorough.

Anyway, the website explains the title thusly:

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The title of the movie refers to phrase that is used in the film when Spaz and Larry are playing tennis, and Larry says "I thought you said you had it, meatball"....
So it looks like the kids are the meatballs.
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Any virus-free ones you can suggest? PM me, if you like. Thanks!
Damn, now I feel like Fink and Spaz under the women CITs' cabin. "I said I'm getting a boner!"
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:56 PM
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But I found his work with Chris Makepeace to be touching even. Admittedly, I may have been influenced by the nice late 70's score playing over the scenes.
Well Dale Sams, if you let me...I could be your good friend. If you let me....
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Well Dale Sams, if you let me...I could be your good friend. If you let me....
Now I'm torn between two lovers.
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I should probably see "Breaking Away" since I heard such good things about it.
Breaking Away is great! I just watched it about a month ago for the first time in many years. I highly reccomend it.
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People remember it as being one of those Boobilicious empty sex comedies but it really is pretty tame, considering. Also, like other movies from that era the pacing also seems pretty glacial compared to today but it does hold up.
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I should probably see "Breaking Away" since I heard such good things about it.
Yes, you should see it. It's great. Also, My Bodyguard, which stars Chris Makepeace (Rudy in Meatballs).
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:53 PM
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I remember Meatballs was on the Friday late-night movies a lot, usually double-billed with Little Darlings, which was the girl equivalent coming-of-age-at-summer-camp movie. I remember liking Little Darlings a lot, but wonder if that one holds up at all.

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I remember the movie and the CIT song very well. Except I always thought they were saying noogie bound
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Yes, you should see it. It's great. Also, My Bodyguard, which stars Chris Makepeace (Rudy in Meatballs).
And was the film debut of a young Adam Baldwin (as the bodyguard).
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:46 PM
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And was the film debut of a young Adam Baldwin (as the bodyguard).
Matt Dillon is an excellent twerp/bully in that too.
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I remember Meatballs was on the Friday late-night movies a lot, usually double-billed with Little Darlings, which was the girl equivalent coming-of-age-at-summer-camp movie. I remember liking Little Darlings a lot, but wonder if that one holds up at all.
My sister and I looooved Little Darlings. I own it on VHS but didn't acquire it until after I no longer had a VHS player. I keep waiting for it to be available on DVD. I'll buy it if it ever becomes available, but I suspect it won't hold up. We last saw it probably 20 years ago.
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Nope. I own it. It was definitely hard-core porn, just with a plot and music.
Sure you got the right one?

http://rogerebert.com/reviews/al...onderland-1976
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FWIW, I did check Pornhub (took one for the team, but I'm not a hypocrite, it was not a chore ) and the beginning of the copy they have declares that the original release was indeed made with a few scenes missing. The movie was then recreated with those scenes, but there are a few scenes that while the actress is the same, the scene does not quite match the action (like the pants of the mad hatter disappearing in the closeups).

So, more research is needed to clarify if indeed the makers of the movie did make more racy scenes for the movie or if they made new ones later for other markets.

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Continuity errors in porn? I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
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I'm just having a hard time buying the idea that Kristine DeBell acted in an honest-to-God hardcore porno, and then had the relatively successful mainstream career that she's had.

I mean even now in a more tolerant age, real porn stars find mainstream roles few and far between, and I can't imagine it was easier back then.

So I'm thinking that the movie was literally "X" rated by the MPAA, and didn't take much editing to make it "R". An "X" back then didn't mean porno; it was that era's equivalent of NC-17.
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Old 03-01-2014, 11:01 PM
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I've seen a clip from the film in question. I may be old fashioned, but I think filming a penis in Miss DeBell's mouth scores as hard-core porn.
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Agreed. And there's no question that's her.
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I'm just having a hard time buying the idea that Kristine DeBell acted in an honest-to-God hardcore porno, and then had the relatively successful mainstream career that she's had.
The thing is, is that while it was filmed as hardcore, it apparently wasn't very widely released as hardcore. Really the hardcore bits are relatively brief and easily edited out - it's very much in Flesh Gordon territory ( by the same guy ). There is a lot of plot ( for a porno, which is to say hardly any objectively ) getting in the way of the sex. I suspect the producers decided at the end of the day that they could make more bucks with a hard R/soft X sex comedy/parody than they could with a hardcore film that isn't very hardcore in terms of quantity of hardcore sex.

It wasn't until years later that the hard X version became more widely disseminated and by then Kristine DeBell's ~8 year Holywood career seems to have been over. Hopefully she didn't succumb to drugs or something, but she does appear to have dropped off the map after the mid-1980's. I remember seeing her in an episode of Night Court and going "hey, it's that Meatballs actress" so apparently she made an impression on me at that tender age. But if wiki is accurate that was apparently her last credited gig.

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People remember it as being one of those Boobilicious empty sex comedies but it really is pretty tame, considering. Also, like other movies from that era the pacing also seems pretty glacial compared to today but it does hold up.
What surprised me when I watched it as an adult is that there are big chunks that aren't really comedic (trying to be heartwarming or whatever); I had assumed it was going to be wall-to-wall jokes.
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Inspired by this thread, I once again watched Meatballs this evening.

It holds up pretty well. Sure, the clothes are a little dated, and the kids don't have cellphones and aren't texting; but the comedic antics of a bunch of hormone-crazed adolescents and young adults are still funny. "It just doesn't matter," indeed!

One thing really dated the film though--the two 15-year-old girls conversing in the parking lot before departing for camp (paraphrased):

A: Did you bring the smokes?
B: No, my parents found the carton in my luggage.
A: Crap! Well, let's go get some more.

Fifteen-year-olds buying a carton of cigarettes, having them confiscated, and buying more! I remembered my own high school days, when the school administration put ashtrays outside, so students wouldn't litter the flowerbeds and walkways with cigarette butts. Times have changed indeed!
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The company I worked for at the time leased a couple of photocopiers to the production company. One broke down and I had to service it on-site at the "Camp Lone Pine" location near Haliburton, Ontario.

It was like 90 minute drive each way so I took the whole day to do it. I hung out for a few hours and watched some scenes being shot. Chatted with Ivan Reitman for a while.

That was a long time ago. I've never seen the movie.
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The company I worked for at the time leased a couple of photocopiers to the production company. One broke down and I had to service it on-site at the "Camp Lone Pine" location near Haliburton, Ontario.

It was like 90 minute drive each way so I took the whole day to do it. I hung out for a few hours and watched some scenes being shot. Chatted with Ivan Reitman for a while.

That was a long time ago. I've never seen the movie.

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Absolutely! I saw it again a few years ago and it was still funny.
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I remember the movie and the CIT song very well. Except I always thought they were saying noogie bound
I thought it was "we are the CITs so piteous" not 'pity us'.
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