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Old 03-28-2014, 12:24 AM
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What was I being offered for $600 at a Houston strip club?

I've been to several strip clubs in Houston where, during a lap dance, a stripper offered to take me to the VIP room and, uh, offer various services for approximately $600.

Now, I have never been tempted to take anyone up on that offer. Not only is the best possible "service" not my thing, but even if I wanted that, $600 was a rip off. Straight up prostitutes cost about half that, or so I am led to believe based on websites like Craigslist or Backpage.

Still, I have always wondered...what would have happened if I had ponied up the cash...?
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:38 AM
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They'd take you back and do your taxes.

Seriously though, do you really need to ask this? Sex. She's a prostitute who calls herself a stripper. They are much more common than a lot of people realize.
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I have no idea what may or may not have happened at the specific place you were at. She may be a stripper/prostitute.

But I can tell you what happens all the time in clubs around here. You pay the money, and when you get back to the VIP room the girl is gone. For the night.
You get pissed and demand your money back or the girl. When you get nothing but deer in headlights looks from all the other employees you get super pissed and start yelling and screaming.

And the bouncers beat the shit out of you and throw you out on your ass!

Then you think you're smart and you call the police. The cops seem more interested in your disorderly conduct inside the place, and your admission that you paid for sex. When you realize you sound as stupid as the guys who report their drugs being stolen you decide to STFU and drop your complaint. Later on the 2 officers sit in their car laughing hysterically. "20 years on the job and I never get tired of that one" one says.

A guy should get college credits for a lesson like that!

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Old 03-28-2014, 01:09 AM
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What is the world coming to if you can't even trust to the honesty of a stripper-cum-prostitute?

You don't often see that usage of cum in such close proximity to prostitute, do you?
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:14 AM
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Just from personal experience, thinking about money lowers the angle of the dangle. Personal service providers have to price really smart: reasonable but profitable, one time offer. A wrong offer reduces the heat of the meat.
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The OP said he is aware that prostitution is the obvious explanation. His question seems to be why the price is so much higher than usual.

One possibility is that the six hundred dollar price is just a opening offer. The stripper is expecting customers who are interested to negotiate down to a more reasonable price. Another possibility is that a guy with a naked woman on his lap might feel a greater desire for sex than a guy sitting alone at home would and might therefore be willing to pay a higher price. Or maybe the strippers are figuring many strip club patrons aren't regular prostitute customers and might not realize they're being overcharged.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:20 AM
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Um... no? The OP definitely was not being offered sex. To quote Chris Rock there is NO sex in the champagne room. That's not a joke. It's just a private room where you get your own private lap dances, and get to touch her some. It's a more intimate experience and sometimes, if you're lucky, she'll use her hands on your junk but there is definitely no insertion into any orifice.

Strippers aren't prostitutes trolling for johns. They're dancers who happen to get interactive with the clientele. Assuming strippers are prostitutes will get you into a good bit of trouble at a strip club. Some do, and you can try to explore that by asking about private, off-site, private strip shows, etc. but there will be no sex done on the premises.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:38 AM
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When a group of guys drove to Indianapolis to see the 500 we went to a nasty little club. Four of us each chipped in $10 and gave it to one of the dancers to show the fifth of us (the youngster in the group) "a good time". It was a joke that we assumed might get him a lap dance type thing that we could all laugh about later.

She took him upstairs, to a couch area and they went at it for a while. At some point our friend pulled a hamstring as he maneuvered on the couch. He came hopping down the steps, grimacing in pain, saying he had to go to the ER. Meanwhile, the stripper wanted "the rest" of her cash.

We skedaddled. Hamstring guy had to make do with liquor and Tylenol, and the unhappy knowledge that the story of his misadventure would make it home before us.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:44 AM
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Blue balls, at $300 each.
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Old 03-28-2014, 08:23 AM
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I have no idea what may or may not have happened at the specific place you were at. She may be a stripper/prostitute.

But I can tell you what happens all the time in clubs around here. You pay the money, and when you get back to the VIP room the girl is gone. For the night.
You get pissed and demand your money back or the girl. When you get nothing but deer in headlights looks from all the other employees you get super pissed and start yelling and screaming.

And the bouncers beat the shit out of you and throw you out on your ass!

Then you think you're smart and you call the police. The cops seem more interested in your disorderly conduct inside the place, and your admission that you paid for sex. When you realize you sound as stupid as the guys who report their drugs being stolen you decide to STFU and drop your complaint. Later on the 2 officers sit in their car laughing hysterically. "20 years on the job and I never get tired of that one" one says.

A guy should get college credits for a lesson like that!
Reads a lot like a DirecTV commercial.

I doubt you were offered sex. They'll take you upstairs and let you fondle her a bit, after you tip the upstairs bouncer and buy her a drink and pay the jukebox and...and.... as many things as they can think of to separate you from your money.
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Old 03-28-2014, 08:30 AM
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They probably will provide you with an opportunity to buy booze by the bottle at highly inflated prices too.
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Old 03-28-2014, 09:08 AM
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The OP said he is aware that prostitution is the obvious explanation. His question seems to be why the price is so much higher than usual.
Like anything else, prices are set based on the perception of what the "market" may support.

I've never been to Vegas, but I assume that if that city (and it's strip bars) is frequented by a greater number of people with more disposable income than, say, San Diego, the prices (in Las Vegas) for for a lot of things will be higher.

Another reason may be that the stripper has an over inflated opinion of what she's "worth".

A lot of places post prices (say, for example, $100 for 30 minutes) to use the privacy booths, but a lot of dancers will let you know that tips over and above the set rate are always welcome.
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stripper is another word for prostitute ....
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:05 AM
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Um... no? The OP definitely was not being offered sex. To quote Chris Rock there is NO sex in the champagne room. That's not a joke. It's just a private room where you get your own private lap dances, and get to touch her some. It's a more intimate experience and sometimes, if you're lucky, she'll use her hands on your junk but there is definitely no insertion into any orifice.

Strippers aren't prostitutes trolling for johns. They're dancers who happen to get interactive with the clientele. Assuming strippers are prostitutes will get you into a good bit of trouble at a strip club. Some do, and you can try to explore that by asking about private, off-site, private strip shows, etc. but there will be no sex done on the premises.
Agree with the first part, disagree with the second.

Paying more money will get you a trip to the "Champagne Room" where you will get to touch (occasionally) the dancer and she might touch you. If you get out of hand, you'll be ejected from the club and you might get robbed by the bouncers (yeah, strip clubs are sleazy like that).

However, a open secret of strip clubs is that the dancers will only make "real money" if they turn tricks with the clients. The club (usually) doesn't get involved in this as it could cost the owner his/her license,it can result in prostitution arrests and all of said transactions have to take place away from the club. But strippers wishing to earn the "big money" have to have sex with clients.

In places where young and attractive strippers can make a great deal of money ( New York, some clubs in Las Vegas, boom towns,etc.) there may be less prostitution as the dancers earn enough to make this less desirable. However, in small towns and dumps, the dancers turn tricks.
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stripper is another word for prostitute ....
So is "employee". Everyone prostitutes themselves at some point.
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They probably will provide you with an opportunity to buy booze by the bottle at highly inflated prices too.
On that subject, a colleague of mine was telling me of a fairly standard nightclub in las vegas where he and his wife paid $170 just to get in
And when they got in there they were not actually allowed to get on the dancefloor as there was a sort of dante "circles of hell" scenario where you had to pay even more to get closer to the dancefloor, hired goons being on hand to enforce this.

They ended up being invited by some friends into one of the inner circles and had drinks bought for them but when said friend left early the club took their drinks back and implied they retained ownership of them. The unfinished bottle of "premium" vodka had cost $800 and had been paid for but was removed by the club.

Not directly related to the stripper question I suppose but if his story is remotely accurate or representative it suggests they'll do just about anything to separate you from your money. Does that story ring true to other club-goers? (I don't think I've set foot in a nightclub since I was 17 and I've certainly never paid to go in one!)
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:56 AM
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This has happened several times? Stop dressing so well . . .

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Old 03-28-2014, 10:57 AM
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But I can tell you what happens all the time in clubs around here. You pay the money, and when you get back to the VIP room the girl is gone. For the night. ...Later on the 2 officers sit in their car laughing hysterically. "20 years on the job and I never get tired of that one" one says.

A guy should get college credits for a lesson like that!
Well, did you?
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:28 AM
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On that subject, a colleague of mine was telling me of a fairly standard nightclub in las vegas where he and his wife paid $170 just to get in
And when they got in there they were not actually allowed to get on the dancefloor as there was a sort of dante "circles of hell" scenario where you had to pay even more to get closer to the dancefloor, hired goons being on hand to enforce this.

They ended up being invited by some friends into one of the inner circles and had drinks bought for them but when said friend left early the club took their drinks back and implied they retained ownership of them. The unfinished bottle of "premium" vodka had cost $800 and had been paid for but was removed by the club.

Not directly related to the stripper question I suppose but if his story is remotely accurate or representative it suggests they'll do just about anything to separate you from your money. Does that story ring true to other club-goers? (I don't think I've set foot in a nightclub since I was 17 and I've certainly never paid to go in one!)
The door charge is just straight robbery. It's around $30-50 for guys and ladies get in free. The problem is that your friends went as a couple instead of a group. A group of guys going in guarantees that the club will profit with the cover and the guys will drink their weight in booze. A group of girls going in are waived the cover because the group of guys in there will pay for the girls drinks and lure in more groups of guys. A couple that goes won't drink a lot and takes up the space of others who will so the bouncer's decided to extract their pound of flesh up front. To add insult to injury, they overcharged the cover so they could pocket the rest.

The liquor cost seems a bit high. Bottles get a 1000% markup and run between $350-600 bucks. An $800 bottle is probably a full handle (1.75L) of premium stuff and unfortunately no, they don't let you take it out if you don't finish it.

I've never heard of an extra cost to get on the actual dancefloor but there are roped off VIP areas for patrons that reserve a table and order bottles.

Going to a club is not for everyone and it really isn't worth it for most people. You pretty much have to be a part of the group of drunk guys entourage, group of drunk girls entourage to get any utility out of it. Going to a club as a couple would be one of the least fun experiences I can imagine.
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:36 AM
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However, a open secret of strip clubs is that the dancers will only make "real money" if they turn tricks with the clients. The club (usually) doesn't get involved in this as it could cost the owner his/her license,it can result in prostitution arrests and all of said transactions have to take place away from the club. But strippers wishing to earn the "big money" have to have sex with clients.

In places where young and attractive strippers can make a great deal of money ( New York, some clubs in Las Vegas, boom towns,etc.) there may be less prostitution as the dancers earn enough to make this less desirable. However, in small towns and dumps, the dancers turn tricks.
All of this is 100% untrue, in my experience, unless you have a very different definition of "big money" than I do. An ex-girlfriend here in the small towns of the American Midwest was a stripper and I spent a lot of time surrounded by her and her co-workers at various clubs. Of the dozens of strippers I met, there was only one that would turn tricks on the side.

My girlfriend certainly made enough money between tips and convincing customers into to buying her "drinks" that there was no need to prostitute herself. Nearly 100% of the other strippers I met felt the same way.
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:46 AM
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Here's my personal experience. Most strippers are not prostitutes. Some are. Anyone claiming every stripper is a prostitute or no stripper is a prostitute is wrong.

And a stripper asking for six hundred dollars? For that kind of money, prostitution is almost certain.
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If you want to get laid, explore your local call girl community. Once you find the real pros (not the amateurs or scam/robbery artists), you can get a nice warm set of sheets for $2-400, without hours of being pickpocketed and led on to very little payoff.

People who spend time in strip clubs and the like to do anything except buy overpriced drinks and stare at porn with a heartbeat are deluded.

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All of this is 100% untrue, in my experience, unless you have a very different definition of "big money" than I do. An ex-girlfriend here in the small towns of the American Midwest was a stripper and I spent a lot of time surrounded by her and her co-workers at various clubs. Of the dozens of strippers I met, there was only one that would turn tricks on the side.

My girlfriend certainly made enough money between tips and convincing customers into to buying her "drinks" that there was no need to prostitute herself. Nearly 100% of the other strippers I met felt the same way.
100% untrue?
Really?

While it may make you feel better that your ex-girlfriend (according to you) didn't turn tricks, it really doesn't jibe with economics of strip clubs.

Let's review:

A stripper has to kick back anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of her tips to the average club, nightly. If they choose not to, they are either not put on the roster that much or they are fired. They also have to tip out the bartenders, the DJ and the bouncers who escort them to their vehicles. Even if they earn $500-700 a night in tips (which is about the most any outside of major cities, resort areas and boom towns will make) after settling up, they are left with what amounts to a normal salary for most people, if not slightly higher.

In most cities and with most clubs, strippers can't work at other adult businesses. If they do and they are caught, their main club will fire them. Some clubs also don't like their performers to do private strip shows as it steers customers away from the club. That's another reason for a firing.

That leaves the following methods for strippers to earn extra money:
  1. Find a rich benefactor who will tip you extravagantly every night and yet not expect anything but your "company" - That's a like a lottery win and won't happen for most.
  2. Sell drugs to customers and other dancers/bar personnel - Lucrative, but most clubs will immediately fire you if you are caught. Also, depending upon who owns the club, this may earn them anything from a beating to worse.
  3. Sleep with the manager - A limited option as there are more women than interest for most club owners. And a good businessman isn't going to flush his money down his employees or he won't be in the strip club business for long.
  4. Work as many nights per month as possible - However, with menstruation, that's not a possibility for most women.
  5. Turn tricks - The option which allows the dancers to keep the most money.

Now..let's see..
Which option are most dancers going to try?
That's a toughie….
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:30 PM
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If you want to get laid, explore your local call girl community. Once you find the real pros (not the amateurs or scam/robbery artists), you can get a nice warm set of sheets for $2-400, without hours of being pickpocketed and led on to very little payoff.

People who spend time in strip clubs and the like to do anything except buy overpriced drinks and stare at porn with a heartbeat are deluded.
Oh, certainly. I'm fully aware that the "going rate" for the real hookers/call girls is about 200-400. Also, they are offering their services in a private place with a bed, etc etc.

Hence my extremely raised eyebrows at a stripper offering something "worth it" at $600. See, in Houston the police do make busts, so none of these girls ever spelled out explicitly what they were offering. So, doing the math, I could not figure out why they thought anyone would take them up on the offer. I mean, each lap dance was about $20-$30 and lasts around 5 minutes. Plus, a lot of girls will talk for a bit before each dance. So the actual "hourly rate" of a stripper is really perhaps $180/hour. Now she's asking me to spend $600 for presumably a time period of much less than 3 hours...not seeing the value in the proposition unless it's some good stuff.

So whatever they were offering must have been pretty amazing, but I just can't think of what could be worth it...

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Well, did you?
No, I was one of the cops laughing his ass off at the guy complaining that the hooker didn't give him his moneys worth!

One time we had a guy wanted to make a complaint about a hooker who said she'd let him pop twice but after he came the first time she split. We told him that was a civil case and he should get a lawyer and sue her!
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A stripper has to kick back anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of her tips to the average club, nightly. If they choose not to, they are either not put on the roster that much or they are fired. They also have to tip out the bartenders, the DJ and the bouncers who escort them to their vehicles. Even if they earn $500-700 a night in tips (which is about the most any outside of major cities, resort areas and boom towns will make) after settling up, they are left with what amounts to a normal salary for most people, if not slightly higher.

In most cities and with most clubs, strippers can't work at other adult businesses. If they do and they are caught, their main club will fire them. Some clubs also don't like their performers to do private strip shows as it steers customers away from the club. That's another reason for a firing.

That leaves the following methods for strippers to earn extra money:
  1. Find a rich benefactor who will tip you extravagantly every night and yet not expect anything but your "company" - That's a like a lottery win and won't happen for most.
  2. Sell drugs to customers and other dancers/bar personnel - Lucrative, but most clubs will immediately fire you if you are caught. Also, depending upon who owns the club, this may earn them anything from a beating to worse.
  3. Sleep with the manager - A limited option as there are more women than interest for most club owners. And a good businessman isn't going to flush his money down his employees or he won't be in the strip club business for long.
  4. Work as many nights per month as possible - However, with menstruation, that's not a possibility for most women.
  5. Turn tricks - The option which allows the dancers to keep the most money.

Now..let's see..
Which option are most dancers going to try?
That's a toughie….
By your logic, you could "prove" that most bank tellers are prostitutes. As you noted, most strippers make a decent living just from tips. So why assume they're selling sex for "extra money"? Some do but the majority just live on what they earn from stripping.
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So whatever they were offering must have been pretty amazing, but I just can't think of what could be worth it...
Fantasy. Anyone who visits a strip club has fantasies that center on a hot, built, young half-nekkid broad throwing themselves at you... well, there ya go.

"Ethics." Having a situation with a bar dancer go... "too far" just kinda happens, y'know? It's not like you picked up a hooker with the intent to ram it to her.

Ignorance. Hookers are sleazebags in alleyways; call girls cost half a year's salary and only exist in big cities.

I'm not advocating anyone do anything illegal (or even cheat on their others), but if you're looking for straight-up sex and can live with the ethical issues... at least look for it in the right places. Strip clubs are about as far from the right place as the local junior high.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:02 PM
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stripper is another word for prostitute ....
No, it isn't. I've known strippers that were never touched by the clientele, and I've known prostitutes that have never taken off their clothes on stage.
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Um... no? The OP definitely was not being offered sex. To quote Chris Rock there is NO sex in the champagne room. That's not a joke. It's just a private room where you get your own private lap dances, and get to touch her some. It's a more intimate experience and sometimes, if you're lucky, she'll use her hands on your junk but there is definitely no insertion into any orifice.

Strippers aren't prostitutes trolling for johns. They're dancers who happen to get interactive with the clientele. Assuming strippers are prostitutes will get you into a good bit of trouble at a strip club. Some do, and you can try to explore that by asking about private, off-site, private strip shows, etc. but there will be no sex done on the premises.
Sorry but this is definitely not true in all major cities. In the Detroit area, practically all the strip clubs (especially the "upscale" ones with attractive girls) are pseudo-legal brothels.
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Prostitution definitely does take place in Houston strip clubs - not in all or even most, but it does happen.

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An undercover raid on a Galleria-area strip club yielded 15 arrests early Wednesday for prostitution and drug charges and the seizure of several weapons, Houston police said.

As part of a months-long probe, vice officers entered Club Fetish at 3101 Fountainview at Richmond Avenue about 2:45 a.m. and recovered three guns, along with marijuana and a substance that appeared to be cocaine, said Houston Police Department spokesman John Cannon. No one claimed ownership of the guns, which were found on the floor of the club.
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JUNE 2--Proving again that it's legally perilous to work at a Texas gentlemen's club, police last Thursday arrested 18 employees of a Houston strip joint on a variety of charges, including prostitution and violating the city's strict regulations governing sexually oriented business.
Another Houston Strip Club Raided

I'd guess for $600 you were either being offered sex or being offered an opportunity to be scammed out of $600. The reason it's so expensive is the same reason the drinks are expensive - if you're thirsty now, you'll pay it. If you're intoxicated, it may even seem like a good idea.
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I would consider the $600 to be mainly going to a bottle of "premium" champagne. You say okay, head back to the room, there's a bottle of fizzy something just opened, and they want your credit card for the opened champagne. No backing out if it's opened, right? Just ask Dolph the bouncer.

It is the champagne room, after all.
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By your logic, you could "prove" that most bank tellers are prostitutes. As you noted, most strippers make a decent living just from tips. So why assume they're selling sex for "extra money"? Some do but the majority just live on what they earn from stripping.
Sigh…because they don't make a "decent living."

Most strippers work 1-3 nights per week. Most nights are slow outside of major cities,resort areas and boom towns. On the slow nights, they still have to tip out and they have to kick back their tips to the club. That leaves the majority with roughly what they would earn from an average job as take home pay.

If they piss off the club owner, they get fired and have to find a new gig. In a town with only a few clubs that can be difficult as the largest club owner may secretly control all of the clubs or the other clubs may be smaller, and the dancers will earn far less. In a town with a lot of clubs, if you get fired too many times, you get a rep as a "troublemaker" and you don't work much, if at all.

Also, I'm not certain if you have been to strip clubs outside of a major city,boom town or resort areas, but most are DEAD Mondays through Thursdays. And since everybody wants to work the weekend ( the busies time) and most strippers aren't the club's "rainmakers", somebody has to "bat second" (read: work during the slow weekdays) meaning that even less money still is being earned.

Finally, to be very blunt, most strippers are not well versed in "money management." Since they are paid daily when they work, the majority rarely save very much money. It's often a depressing and degrading job, so many "party hearty" to forget about what they are doing. Or they have a boyfriend/SO who isn't working and they have to support him/her. Or they have kids and they have to support them. Or they have a drug/alcohol habit and they have to support that.

The old saw about "stripping to get through school" is usually just that: an old saw. Most women going to school (to be very blunt) aren't attractive enough to earn a good living being a stripper. Most of the ones who are attractive enough can usually find other methods to pay for school which don't including removing their clothing. That leaves a tiny minority of women who have decided that stripping and all it entails is both a wise career choice and a lucrative profession.

Most of them are wrong about.

So…for roughly $400-500 a week TAKE HOME, women are going to dance 8-12 hours a day, 1-3 days during that week. Where's the confusion again about why some of them wouldn't turn tricks to make extra?
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I think the old saw is because it's easier to portray the cliche of the "sexy young woman doing what she has to to pay for school / a kid / brain surgery" as a stripper than a hooker.

And yeah, most of them don't have the brains of a catfish, especially about money and money management. Even the ones who don't spend it all on drugs.
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If you want to get laid, explore your local call girl community. Once you find the real pros (not the amateurs or scam/robbery artists), you can get a nice warm set of sheets for $2-400, without hours of being pickpocketed and led on to very little payoff.

People who spend time in strip clubs and the like to do anything except buy overpriced drinks and stare at porn with a heartbeat are deluded.
Or, like most guys, they are just looking for a fun and legal night of drinks, hanging out with friends and staring at some titties.


The answer to the OPs question is "depends".
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I can't say what the OP would have gotten for his $600. YMMV at any given club and so on.


Go going back on my first post, check this out hot off the presses:

A man claimed an escort was rushing him after he paid for one hour with her and she wanted to leave before that when police responded to a 911 call March 23.

According to the Oak Creek police report:

Police responded to a 911 call from a room at Value Inn, 9420 S. 20th St., at 12:45 a.m. March 23. During questioning, a man admitted to contacting a woman on a website for prostitutes, and stated he was upset because she was rushing him after he paid $200 for one hour with her and she wanted to leave before the hour was up.

The woman was cited for prostitution (escort license required) and the man was cited for disorderly conduct.



And this happens alllll the time. Dumb asses routinely call the police to complain about a hooker ripping them off, not doing what they want them to do, etc.. A guy can't make it up!
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Your theory isn't adding up.
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Sigh…because they don't make a "decent living."

Most strippers work 1-3 nights per week. Most nights are slow outside of major cities,resort areas and boom towns. On the slow nights, they still have to tip out and they have to kick back their tips to the club. That leaves the majority with roughly what they would earn from an average job as take home pay.

Where's the confusion again about why some of them wouldn't turn tricks to make extra?
To repeat my question, why don't you believe every woman with an average job is turning tricks? They're in the same financial situation as you say strippers are in.

Your theory seems to be based on your belief that strippers are sluts, are stupid, do a lot of drugs, can't find any better work, are supporting their lazy boyfriends, etc.
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The answer to the OPs question is "depends".
For 600 clams I want astronaut diapers at the very least.
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I'm not convinced by nevadaexile's claims, but bank tellers (for example) don't have the same opportunity to sell sex on the side that a stripper does. A stripper is likely to be surrounded by drunk, horny men who are in a cash-spending mood. A randomly-selected strip club owner / manager may or may not approve of his employee propositioning customers, but he's far more likely to approve than a randomly selected bank manager would be.
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{…} An ex-girlfriend here in the small towns of the American Midwest was a stripper and I spent a lot of time surrounded by her and her co-workers at various clubs. Of the dozens of strippers I met, there was only one that would turn tricks on the side. {…}
I was a driver for almost 10 years starting in the early to mid 80s, the northern half of New Jersey, Staten Island, and lower New York State. So; go-go bars, a handful of full nudity "juice bars", and topless bars in NY.
One prostitute (who was more rumored to be than we're actually know this),
one former prostitute,
less than a dozen that would do "side work" at bachelor parties,
out of the ~400 - 500 women that my brother was an "agent" for, over more than a decade.

Absolutely none of the bars that I was familiar with would have tolerated, for a second, any dancer soliciting in their bars. Their liquor license was far too valuable and under constant threat of loss for things like "flashing" and dancers allowing too much contact when taking tips.

Any general statement about "strippers" is, almost, always wrong!

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The woman was cited for prostitution (escort license required) and the man was cited for disorderly conduct.[/B][/I]
So it would have been kosher for the woman to get paid for sex if she had an escort license?


ETA: I remember leaving a strip club one night and a friend of mine was talking about how one of the dancers was all over him and coming on to him. I told him she doesn't dig you, she digs your $20s.

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So it would have been kosher for the woman to get paid for sex if she had an escort license?
No.

Many municipalities have "unlicensed escort" written into their prostitution ordinance. It's easier to prove one doesn't have an escort license than it is to prove paid non-marital sex took place or was offered. So, you're an escort but don't have a license to be? Boom, citation for prostitution.

This is also easier to prosecute than the state charge of prostitution which does not have the escort license provision in the statute.

Had this woman had an escort license then they would have had to prove there was sex for sale.
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I was a driver for almost 10 years starting in the early to mid 80s, the northern half of New Jersey, Staten Island, and lower New York State. So; go-go bars, a handful of full nudity "juice bars", and topless bars in NY.
One prostitute (who was more rumored to be than we're actually know this),
one former prostitute,
less than a dozen that would do "side work" at bachelor parties,
out of the ~400 - 500 women that my brother was an "agent" for, over more than a decade.

Absolutely none of the bars that I was familiar with would have tolerated, for a second, any dancer soliciting in their bars. Their liquor license was far too valuable and under constant threat of loss for things like "flashing" and dancers allowing too much contact when taking tips.

Any general statement about "strippers" is, almost, always wrong!

CMC fnord!

All of this depends on the state and jurisdiction. I have been to a grand total of six strip bars in my entire life. Two were in New Orleans, one was in Massachusetts and the other two were in Rhode Island. New Orleans has the skanky kind of strippers along with live sex shows and many of them are definitely prostitutes. Touching is not only allowed, it is encouraged and that beautiful woman you view through beer goggles may not be a woman at all.

Massachusetts is different. There are strip clubs but they only exist in the outer suburbs and they are strict no-touching even for private dances.

Most people do not know about Rhode Island because it is such a tiny state but it has the very most liberal strip club laws in the U.S. by far including Nevada. It is mostly mafia controlled and has semi-legalized prostitution in its strip clubs. Even the teaser stage dances are full nudity with some touching allowed. The Campaign rooms are no holds barred as long as you work it out ahead of time. I never had sex with one but apparently a friend paid for that service for me. It cost $120 dollars for 20 minutes. She was a gorgeous thing and we got much further than I ever intended. I cut it off after a certain point because I don't do prostitutes no matter how pretty they are but I can certainly understand the appeal. I could go back there tonight and have sex on demand with someone more attractive than anyone I know personally and it would be less than $200 all inclusive.

It is legal and quite accepted there whereas the same thing could get everyone arrested just a 30 minute drive away in Massachusetts or Connecticut.

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Hell, for $600, I'd expect to be able to do anything I want for at least a full day if not a weekend. At least, that's roughly the going rate for hookers around here from what I've seen.
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Hell, for $600, I'd expect to be able to do anything I want for at least a full day if not a weekend. At least, that's roughly the going rate for hookers around here from what I've seen.
It's been over 34 years since I've been on a date. But you can't convince me taking a regular gal out and spending $600 on her (or a few $200 dates) in the long run isn't going to get you more sex than one night with a whore.
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It's been over 34 years since I've been on a date. But you can't convince me taking a regular gal out and spending $600 on her (or a few $200 dates) in the long run isn't going to get you more sex than one night with a whore.
Didn't say it wouldn't. I was talking about paying a 'professional' for services.
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Sex. She's a prostitute who calls herself a stripper.
Nope!

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You pay the money, and when you get back to the VIP room the girl is gone. For the night.
You get pissed and demand your money back or the girl. When you get nothing but deer in headlights looks from all the other employees you get super pissed and start yelling and screaming.

And the bouncers beat the shit out of you and throw you out on your ass!

Then you think you're smart and you call the police. The cops seem more interested in your disorderly conduct inside the place, and your admission that you paid for sex.
Yep!

"VIP" stands for "Victim In Progress"
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This song seems to work in the context of this thread.
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Semi-tangential, but while I 'get' the appeal of sleeping with a prostitute, I've never really understood the appeal of strip clubs. (I mean, a lot of guys have a fantasy of dating a stripper, but going to a strip club is probably not, I'd imagine, the best way to meet a stripper *for real*).

Do countries with legalized prostitution (e.g. most of Latin America) have strip clubs, or are strip clubs just sort of an inferior substitute in countries where actual prostitution is outlawed. Like, are there strip clubs in the Dominican Republic or Brazil?
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Semi-tangential, but while I 'get' the appeal of sleeping with a prostitute, I've never really understood the appeal of strip clubs. (I mean, a lot of guys have a fantasy of dating a stripper, but going to a strip club is probably not, I'd imagine, the best way to meet a stripper *for real*).

Do countries with legalized prostitution (e.g. most of Latin America) have strip clubs, or are strip clubs just sort of an inferior substitute in countries where actual prostitution is outlawed. Like, are there strip clubs in the Dominican Republic or Brazil?
When I have gone to strip clubs, it is to watch attractive, naked women dance. There are generally a few who bother to be good at it in most large clubs. I'm not interested in making sexual contact with the strippers or dating them. I suppose that is why I have a good time when I visit ... I get what I'm after.
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