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Old 03-16-2015, 04:27 PM
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What careers can an attractive young woman make a good living at

Just out of curiosity. The obvious one is prostitution, and there are other careers where a woman can tease with her sexuality like a stripper in exchange for money. But what else is there?

Do attractive women earn good money as real estate agents, pharma reps, waitress, bottle girl at least compared to less attractive women or men?

As a believer in reincarnation I will need the answer by 2093 at the latest.

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Software Engineering pays pretty well these days.
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What careers can an attractive woman use where she can take advantage of her looks to make far more money than unattractive people would earn for the same job?
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Are there jobs that attractive young women can't make a good living at? Even if it's a job that no one can make a good living at they'll do better than unattractive or old women or men.
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:39 PM
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Are there jobs that attractive young women can't make a good living at? Even if it's a job that no one can make a good living at they'll do better than unattractive or old women or men.
Yes but in some careers you'd assume the difference is far bigger. I'm assuming jobs where a woman works with horny men (preferably middle aged, well off horny men) or maybe the public at large would pay far better than jobs where she works in a science lab.

When I was looking into hiring housekeepers and someone to clean, there were a few ads for women charging far more to clean your house while wearing only their underwear. I didn't take them up, but they were charging 2x as much for the same service because they teased sexually at the same time.

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Yes but in some careers you'd assume the difference is far bigger. I'm assuming jobs where a woman works with horny men (preferably middle aged, well off horny men) or maybe the public at large would pay far better than jobs where she works in a science lab.

When I was looking into hiring housekeepers and someone to clean, there were a few ads for women charging far more to clean your house while wearing only their underwear. I didn't take them up, but they were charging 2x as much for the same service because they teased sexually at the same time.
If you're looking for 2X the average pay you'll be limited to jobs that only young attractive women are in demand for. That's going to be primarily the sex industry, from the outer edge in mainstream entertainment to the other extreme of prostitution.

It's really about your level of talent. A mainstream entertainer will do much better than average if she's attractive, but that business is highly competitive and simply being attractive may be an insufficient basis for a career. An attractive young saleswoman can make 2X the average if she's got a lot of nerds for customers, but she has to do the work and close the sales to be the star. On the other hand the more attractive porn stars attract more money and somewhat less talent may be all that's required.

If all else fails, there's always gold-digging. Men are idiots, we'll believe you love us and we'll marry you and then you've got half our stuff.
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Old 03-16-2015, 05:20 PM
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If all else fails, there's always gold-digging. Men are idiots, we'll believe you love us and we'll marry you and then you've got half our stuff.
Yup. Trophy wife, I forgot about that career choice. Not that I'm complaining, it is good work if you can get it. I'd be open to it but nobody is hiring.
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What careers can an attractive young woman make a good living at
Just out of curiosity. The obvious one is prostitution, and there are other careers where a woman can tease with her sexuality like a stripper in exchange for money. But what else is there?
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Old 03-16-2015, 05:42 PM
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What careers can an attractive woman use where she can take advantage of her looks to make far more money than unattractive people would earn for the same job?
Acting or modeling. And also sales.
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The stereotypical pharma rep bimbo is alive and well here in middle USA. Confirmation bias, I'm sure, but I deal with a lot of hospitals and doctors offices, and the way some of these women are dressed ... well... let's just say it draws attention.

Does it benefit their bottom line? Beats me.

Do other pharma reps that aren't knock out babes exist and do well? I'm sure they do, but I don't notice them. The ones that cause me to say things to myself are what stick in my recollection.

Maybe cocktail waitress? Or any bar/restaurant wait staff.
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Ooh, how about a pop singer? The only real prerequisites are that you are extremely attractive, can dance a bit, and hate music.
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Old 03-16-2015, 06:19 PM
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The stereotypical pharma rep bimbo is alive and well here in middle USA. Confirmation bias, I'm sure, but I deal with a lot of hospitals and doctors offices, and the way some of these women are dressed ... well... let's just say it draws attention.

Does it benefit their bottom line? Beats me.

Do other pharma reps that aren't knock out babes exist and do well? I'm sure they do, but I don't notice them. The ones that cause me to say things to myself are what stick in my recollection.
I consult for a mega-pharmaceutical company and I can attest to that. Pharma reps, both male and female but mostly female, are hired for looks and youth and the successful ones use it well. They understand that fact far better than anyone else so they spend a ton of time and energy on their dress, fitness and overall appearance. The catch is that they have to be smart and actually know what they are talking about as well because they have to talk with practicing doctors and give in depth demos for certain product lines. Most of them age out of the front line work fairly young but they usually make extremely good money while they can hack it. A few of them have some specialized expertise that allows them to work in the field for decades while others become managers for the newest crop of educated beauties but most have to find something else to do by their mid-30's. Hopefully, they caught the eye of a rich surgeon by then and can just settle down into domestic bliss.

For the more unskilled side, good looking women don't have to be actual strippers to earn more money than their plain counterparts. There are lots of service positions where being really attractive is bankable without ever having to show much skin. There are always positions for competent and attractive bartenders at some types of establishments especially places like busy sports bars that cater primarily to men. They can make damn good money doing that if they work the busy shifts and flirt just enough.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:03 PM
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The stereotypical pharma rep bimbo is alive and well here in middle USA. Confirmation bias, I'm sure, but I deal with a lot of hospitals and doctors offices, and the way some of these women are dressed ... well... let's just say it draws attention.
Yeah, one of my wife's college friends was a pharma rep. She was pretty much a bimbo.


Being an attractive woman certainly seems like an advantage is sales, marketing, media. Really any career where image is more important than any sort of technical qualifications.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:14 PM
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I consult for a mega-pharmaceutical company and I can attest to that. Pharma reps, both male and female but mostly female, are hired for looks and youth and the successful ones use it well. They understand that fact far better than anyone else so they spend a ton of time and energy on their dress, fitness and overall appearance. The catch is that they have to be smart and actually know what they are talking about as well because they have to talk with practicing doctors and give in depth demos for certain product lines. Most of them age out of the front line work fairly young but they usually make extremely good money while they can hack it. A few of them have some specialized expertise that allows them to work in the field for decades while others become managers for the newest crop of educated beauties but most have to find something else to do by their mid-30's. Hopefully, they caught the eye of a rich surgeon by then and can just settle down into domestic bliss.
IT Sales can be similar. I've worked with more than one IT salesperson who was distractingly good looking - and I'm a more or less straight woman.
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What careers can an attractive woman use where she can take advantage of her looks to make far more money than unattractive people would earn for the same job?
All of them been said yet?
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If you are talking low paid jobs then attractive women do as a rule earn more. If you are talking about the corporate world above middle management it seems to matter less..
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I recently heard about a Cornell undergrad who financed her education by doing porn in her free time. Modeling is another obvious one. Anyway, being attractive helps in pretty much all careers; as you get to better and better jobs, the difference in pay based on looks decreases, but I'd wager it never really disappears, especially for women. Even in the corporate world, being an ugly woman is detrimental.

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Librarian.
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:59 PM
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Librarian.
Good looking librarians are hot but it is hard to make bank just based on that. I think you would have to offer special 'tutorial' services to all the unemployed men that hang around the library to translate it into actual income and most of them don't have much money to spare by definition.

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Masseuse.

This can be true no matter how strictly "legit", or not, said masseuse is. A strictly "legit" masseuse (stays fully dressed, no skimpy clothes, no sexy massage, works for a reputable day spa or similar), can earn more money the prettier she is because (a) can more easily find and keep a job at a day spa because they like to hire young pretty masseuses (and masseurs too), and (b) better tips and (c) all other things (like massage skill) being equal, can probably develop a more steady clientele.

Masseuses who work in private practice (as opposed to working at a spa), and who choose to offer various degrees of "extras", obviously can do better the prettier they are.

ETA: In some areas, where there is a substantial gay male populations, the same can be true of gay male masseurs.

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Not to dampen an upbeat (?) thread, but one of my good friends was a pharma rep who committed suicide in part due to a feeling of "aging out." It's a nasty cutthroat business with a faux-respectable veneer. I think it got even worse once the really good physician perks got cut out due to the Sunshine Act.

I would never recommend this to anyone, and I've also known reps who have retired well. I would sooner tell my daughter to work at Hooters. No lie.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:10 AM
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Round here advertising and PR are much "easier" if you're a young and good looking lady - particularly PR, where a pretty face is often thought of first before any actual skill when hiring at the executive level. (which translates all the way through to senior management)

And no - we're not talking about sleeping your way to the top or anything of that nature - just that a pretty face is seen as much of a job requirement as is actual skill
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What about Flight Attendants? Not sure how well they get paid.
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Old 03-17-2015, 06:43 AM
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Believe it or not - teaching. You would be surprised how many districts have an "image" and want attractive female, and male, teachers. Granted they have to be good teachers also.

Face it. Good looks equate with the feeling that person is smarter.

Oh and Sea World. Know those dolphin and whale trainers? They are hired for 1. their ability to swim and 2. good looks. They are then trained in how to work with the dolphins.
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What careers can an attractive young woman make a good living at

How sexist.
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Old 03-17-2015, 07:38 AM
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Frankly, I think in most business it is a mixed bag. For every person who looks out for you because you are young and cute, there is another person doubting your actual, real skills. While its a little easier to rise in customer facing positions, it's much harder to get into managing, decision making positions. And then there is the mommy penalty, which people sometime preload even before you have kids.

It's a role, just like "super smart geek" or "rising star" or "nothing but business, hard as rocks." It can be leveraged well, or it can be leveraged poorly. But it's just another tool in the toolbox.
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Ring girl. Booth babe.
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From what I read somewhere, being an attractive woman is a career double-edged sword: It helps one get hired if the hiring manager is male, but may lead to rejection if the hiring manager is female.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:15 AM
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From what I read somewhere, being an attractive woman is a career double-edged sword: It helps one get hired if the hiring manager is male, but may lead to rejection if the hiring manager is female.
Sure, but that's good news for us *hot guys.

*for small values of hot
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Good Lord. Have I stepped through a time portal to 1950?
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All of them been said yet?
This. All of them.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:30 AM
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Good looks help in a wide range of professions. To some extent for men, as well as for women.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:51 AM
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How sexist.
Yes, the OP is kind of horribly sexist and the answer is indeed "All of them".

The question as rephrased in post #3 is more interesting and allows for a proper discussion as long as you operate on the assumption that this is about how modern society views women and not a request for career advice.
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:06 AM
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Just out of curiosity. The obvious one is prostitution, and there are other careers where a woman can tease with her sexuality like a stripper in exchange for money. But what else is there?

Do attractive women earn good money as real estate agents, pharma reps, waitress, bottle girl at least compared to less attractive women or men?

As a believer in reincarnation I will need the answer by 2093 at the latest.
Every pharma rep I've ever known was a good looking person, though not necessarily female.

Jewelry salespeople are disproportionately young and hot.

Being young and beautiful and female is, in my experience, a disadvantage in both appliance and used car sales.

I don't know what a bottle girl is.
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Yeah, one of my wife's college friends was a pharma rep. She was pretty much a bimbo.
I regularly lose attractive young sales reps of both genders to the pharma industry, but they're not generally bimbos. Certainly not the last four or five.
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I know this is a pretty PC place but I am baffled by how such a simple question can get so complicated here. Yes, in every job, for both sexes, you tend to earn more if you are more attractive (or taller), but the distribution is not huge.

But there are some professions where being attractive is pretty much a requirement for being the most successful, not just an added benefit. Some of them have been listed. Drug reps, news reporters. How about pop singers?

Yea, there are a few big name female singers that aren't gorgeous, but how often do you see their face in ads or promotions? The top earning women in music (in order): Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Pink, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Jennifer Lopez, Miley Cyrus, etc.

How many female nightly news reporters have you seen with a BMI of greater than 30 and a below average face? Pretty much none.

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Good Lord. Have I stepped through a time portal to 1950?
Why, do you disbelieve that being young and attractive is an asset in many sales, service and PR style jobs? Or that people get hired based on their looks (at least in part) for those positions?
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I feel obliged to point out that two of my sisters, both quite attractive (judging by the number of their male former classmates who ask me if they're still single and if I can give them my sisters' phone numbers) have found that being pretty is a considerable disadvantage in their fields. One of them is a chemical engineer; the other an IRS agent.
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I feel obliged to point out that two of my sisters, both quite attractive (judging by the number of their male former classmates who ask me if they're still single and if I can give them my sisters' phone numbers) have found that being pretty is a considerable disadvantage in their fields. One of them is a chemical engineer; the other an IRS agent.
I've heard being an attractive, fertile female has benefits and drawbacks. Women hate you, men just want to fuck you, nobody takes you seriously, etc.

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FTR, I'm sorry if people think I'm saying women are required to use their sexuality or appearance in their career. My point is what careers is that going to be an advantage? Pharma sales rep? Yes. Lab technician? No. Bottle girl? Yes. Lawyer? Probably not. Waitress/bartender? Possibly. Factory worker? No.

For people getting insulted, thats too bad. But that is how the world works. The (vast) majority of CEOs are tall white males. Is that because tall white males are more competent? No. But we are biased primates who make judgments based on appearance.

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About female pop singers.

Remember "The Mama's and the Papa's"? One of their female singers (Cass Elliot)was a heavyset woman and the band was told to drop her because of the image.
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FTR, I'm sorry if people think I'm saying women are required to use their sexuality or appearance in their career. My point is what careers is that going to be an advantage? Pharma sales rep? Yes. Lab technician? No. Bottle girl? Yes. Lawyer? Probably not. Waitress/bartender? Possibly. Factory worker? No.

For people getting insulted, thats too bad. But that is how the world works. The (vast) majority of CEOs are tall white males. Is that because tall white males are more competent? No. But we are biased primates who make judgments based on appearance.
You should contemplate the distinction between "what careers can an attractive young woman make a good living at" and "what are some careers which are especially well-suited to attractive young women?" If you were to ask "what careers can a tall man make a good living at," you'd probably get people saying, "whatever he's good at." And if you'd asked what careers are well-suited to tall men you might hear, "basketball player." The idea that just because a woman is attractive, she should automatically go into a line of work that leverages that attractiveness is what people think sounds like 1950's thinking. Sometimes, pretty ladies do things they don't even need to be pretty for. (whoa!)
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Good looks help in a wide range of professions. To some extent for men, as well as for women.
There's a kind of hire that in Spain is called bollicaos, after an industrial pastry which looks good but tastes like cardboard and feels like a brick in your stomach.

Bollicaos are hired straight out of college on the basis of a decent to good GPA but not necessarily the ability to understand what they studied or what they do (a large amount come from colleges which favor regurgitation over comprehension); they must have very good to extremely good looks and be willing to spend half their salary in keeping those looks (seriously, they can be getting paid less than minimal wage but alas, must keep up with the latest fashion catalogs).

The same companies will hire the ones with super good looks to be consultants and the ones who don't look so good (male under 5'10"; woman with wide hips; the slightest amount of acne; glasses that aren't the absolutely latest fashion) as programmers. One of the worst things that can be said about a consultant above age 30 is "you know how some people get hired as bollicaos? Some never get beyond..." - meaning they still haven't learned how to do that job they've been doing for enough years to be considered "senior". Aged bollicaos can usually be found in small consulting firms, but will never be partners, team leads or anything like that; they get assigned to those projects where their area of supposed expertise is expected to be small and simple. Being a bollicao of any gender opens the biggest doors in the business but doesn't keep them open.

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My mother told me that her former boss (female); who ran an education services firm always hired attractive females for the front desk, because the "mom would be concentrating on the brochure and dad on the lady".
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But we are biased primates who make judgments based on appearance.
I can't help thinking that a really ... evolved primate would be embarrassed to imply that he was unable to rise above his animal impulses.
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FTR, I'm sorry if people think I'm saying women are required to use their sexuality or appearance in their career. My point is what careers is that going to be an advantage? Pharma sales rep? Yes. Lab technician? No. Bottle girl? Yes. Lawyer? Probably not. Waitress/bartender? Possibly. Factory worker? No.

For people getting insulted, thats too bad. But that is how the world works. The (vast) majority of CEOs are tall white males. Is that because tall white males are more competent? No. But we are biased primates who make judgments based on appearance.
as a data point, a young person I know who was otherwise well qualified could not get in to a graduate program for hospital administrators. He couldn't figure out why until he visited the program in session and noticed that almost ALL the students were tall good-looking men. He is relatively short. He asked and as an aside was told that his application did very well right up to the in-person interview. He had all the right answers, but didn't score well. He has since done very well in a less glamorous profession. So, it isn't just young good-looking women. Many careers have formal (think athletics) or informal physical qualifications. These qualifications may not be PC, but all make sense in the real world.

Another feature of note-hair color. There is a professor at the U. of Virginia (I think, one of the schools in that part of the country) who studies non-profit fund-raising. According to his research a young blonde female out-performs virtually every other person in in-person fundraising. The difference is massive and hair color overwhelms other characterisitics and the purpose of the fund-raising. It isn't PC, but it is the real world.
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How many female nightly news reporters have you seen with a BMI of greater than 30 and a below average face?
A lot more in recent years. Far more than Asian male reporters, at least in the USA.

Anyhow, back to the OP. High-end retail for those that are younger. High-end sales (real estate, luxury cars, jewelery, etc) for those that are older. Management personnel of large high-amenity apartment complexes in the Sunbelt also tend to be very attractive women.
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