#1
Old 08-05-2015, 09:09 PM
Guest
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 690
Are there any real 7th sons of 7th sons?

Folklore holds that a 7th son of a 7th son has "special powers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevent..._a_seventh_son

I am just wondering if there are any real-life examples of such an occurrence. Clearly it would be rare, especially today with smaller families more common. But with the billions of humans who have lived and died, a 7th son of a 7th son must have been born at least a few times. I'm not interested in the "special powers" hoo-hah, just if there are any documented cases - especially of the variety mentioned in the cite above, that is, with no intervening female siblings.
#2
Old 08-05-2015, 09:33 PM
Guest
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Hey! I'm located! WOOOOW!
Posts: 38,528
Heck, I'm not sure what the exact count would be once you remove the very-few sisters, but I know a megafamily where the two parents were from megafamilies; the three groups of children were at least a total count of 9 and none reached 3 daughters, my classmate was one of the 2 daughters out of 10. Since we don't have that 7th son thing we just saw it as a curiosity. My own dad didn't end up having enough siblings for that because Nature intervened, but his dad was 7th of 10 (6th of 8 if you only count the boys) and dad was 3rd of 5 (3 of 4 if you remove my aunt).

Back when a woman who didn't die in childbirth could spend more time pregnant than not, having that many children wasn't terribly uncommon; what was uncommon was having them reach adulthood. From what I've heard of the 7th son idea, the second is not part of the requirement.
#3
Old 08-05-2015, 09:52 PM
Guest
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Citrus Heights, CA, USA
Posts: 15,016
Your Wikipedia link gives three examples:

Perry Como, (1912–2001), 20th century American crooner
Lyle Lewis Aley, (1914-1963) pioneer radio announcer
Len Dawson, (1935-present), quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs
#4
Old 08-05-2015, 11:12 PM
Charter Member
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Tottering-on-the-Brink
Posts: 19,207
The first I ever heard of the seventh son thing was back fifty years ago when I was a child. There was a news story, from the UK I think, about a guy who was the seventh son of a seventh son, and people were coming to him for advice or blessings or something, because of his supposed powers. As said, it can happen but is rarer now because of smaller families.

I shudder to think, but how many sons do the Duggars have, or their ilk?
#5
Old 08-05-2015, 11:15 PM
Guest
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,249
IIRC, Glen Campbell is.
#6
Old 08-06-2015, 02:07 AM
Guest
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Sunny California
Posts: 14,840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker View Post
I shudder to think, but how many sons do the Duggars have, or their ilk?
And their descendants! Nineteenth son of nineteenth son!
#7
Old 08-06-2015, 03:08 AM
Guest
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 837
Willie Dixon. Nuff said.
#8
Old 08-06-2015, 06:34 AM
Charter Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2,269
Georgie Fame!
Curiously, or maybe not so curiously given this performance, it only managed to reach number 25 in the UK charts. I'd say it was SFW but it includes the Pan's People dance troupe in skimpy costumes.
#9
Old 08-06-2015, 06:41 AM
BANNED
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Buford, Georgia
Posts: 8,011
My maternal grandmother was the seventh daughter of a seventh daughter. My great-great grandfather returned from the Civil War and bought land at the edge of town, expecting to have sons and reap the postwar expansion. The economy went bust instead; he kept contributing only X chromosomes; and the family fortune never materialized. But we've always carried an air of lost gentility.
#10
Old 08-06-2015, 07:38 AM
Guest
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 689
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kitchen View Post
Your Wikipedia link gives three examples:

Perry Como, (19122001), 20th century American crooner
Lyle Lewis Aley, (1914-1963) pioneer radio announcer
Len Dawson, (1935-present), quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs
At least as far as Perry Como is concerned that is a myth. Como was a seventh child but only one of his elder siblings, Domenico, was a brother. (from Perry Como: A Biography and Complete Career Record by Malcolm Macfarlane,Ken Crossland.)
#11
Old 08-21-2015, 03:10 PM
Guest
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 690
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Kitchen View Post
Your Wikipedia link gives three examples:

Perry Como, (19122001), 20th century American crooner
Lyle Lewis Aley, (1914-1963) pioneer radio announcer
Len Dawson, (1935-present), quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs
Following the links to the source material for Len Dawson in the wiki article we find that he is the "seventh son of seven sons", which I interpret to mean only that he had six older brothers but not that his father was also a seventh son. So, only part way there.
#12
Old 08-21-2015, 03:29 PM
Guest
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,358
When I was a kid (this is back in the late 50s or early 60s) my minister was one. Because of this, when he was born his parents didn't give him a first or a middle name - just initials. So his official name was D. W. White.

His wife called him "Dub".

He was a pretty cool guy, actually.
#13
Old 08-21-2015, 07:13 PM
Guest
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Washington, DC area
Posts: 1,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevenwood View Post
When I was a kid (this is back in the late 50s or early 60s) my minister was one. Because of this, when he was born his parents didn't give him a first or a middle name - just initials. So his official name was D. W. White.

His wife called him "Dub".

He was a pretty cool guy, actually.
My Dad was a seventh son; I'll have to see if his father was.
#14
Old 08-22-2015, 10:57 PM
Guest
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 334
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevenwood View Post
When I was a kid (this is back in the late 50s or early 60s) my minister was one. Because of this, when he was born his parents didn't give him a first or a middle name - just initials. So his official name was D. W. White.

His wife called him "Dub".

He was a pretty cool guy, actually.
This makes me curious why did they not have a name or him? Im not getting that.

On the digression tip, anybody ever heard of a seventh son joint?
#15
Old 08-22-2015, 11:38 PM
Guest
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: CentralArkansas
Posts: 23,783
My grandfather was a 7th son. I don't know if he was a 7th son of a 7th son.

My great-grandfather was a fire and brimstone preacher and people wanted my granddad to pray with them or lay hands. It really bugged him growing up. He avoided the church scene after becoming an adult. Mostly because he had so much religion shoved down his throat and also the 7th son thing.

Last edited by aceplace57; 08-22-2015 at 11:39 PM.
#16
Old 08-23-2015, 12:27 AM
Guest
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Citrus Heights, CA, USA
Posts: 15,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevenwood View Post
When I was a kid (this is back in the late 50s or early 60s) my minister was one. Because of this, when he was born his parents didn't give him a first or a middle name - just initials. So his official name was D. W. White.

His wife called him "Dub".

He was a pretty cool guy, actually.
My father's name was W. H.. His family called him Dub.
#17
Old 08-25-2015, 12:05 PM
Guest
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: "Hicksville", Ark.
Posts: 34,194
So the chances would just be .5^14 times the proclivity to have at least seven children, right? I can't imagine that's to uncommon. The modern trend for smaller families is relatively recent.
#18
Old 08-25-2015, 03:36 PM
Guest
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Close to home
Posts: 9,907
A while ago there were some news articles about the President of Argentina, who customarily "adopts" seventh sons. Link.

Nothing about the fathers being seventh sons too, though.
#19
Old 08-25-2015, 08:45 PM
Guest
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 479
I am the first daughter of a second daughter of a third daughter. Which means..uh..nothing, I guess.

Last edited by Toxgoddess; 08-25-2015 at 08:45 PM.
#20
Old 08-25-2015, 08:55 PM
BANNED
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Near Baroni&Kelly's Jail.
Posts: 13,668
Well... Possible straight...
(Hey, you're here & we appreciate that...)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:33 AM.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: [email protected]

Send comments about this website to:

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright 2018 STM Reader, LLC.

Copyright © 2017
Best Topics: deep fried burritos homeless hair animal without brain peterman catalog tankless toilet bowl 3.5 ultimate magus furry cartoons french ticklers condoms song sound effects songs with chants soldiers address mount shoria exorcist opening scene high-beam headlights when would slavery have ended in the south lets do this thing if you are blinded by oncoming headlights dr. charles larson holocaust how much does californium cost per gram eppur si muove pronunciation silent lucidity meaning of the song base metal bezel 1504 samsung dryer stops after few minutes