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Old 04-15-2017, 10:38 PM
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Doctor Who Series 10 ongoing discussion (open spoilers)

I actually haven't watched the first episode yet, but the new series of Doctor Who did start tonight. The last one with Peter Capaldi, who I think has been a really good Doctor. Also, this is the final set of episodes from Stephen Moffat

I saw the Graham Norton show with Peter Capaldi and he said he had filmed his death scene already. I guess he really will die in the final episode this year....though I thought I had heard his farewell would be Christmas this year.

Anyway, thoughts on the new series(season)?
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:27 PM
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Just watched it tonight. I like Bill. I like that Nardole is still hanging around. I love that they actually reference Susan, the 1st Doctor's (and, therefore, all the Doctors') granddaughter, whom we haven't really seen or heard of in NuWho yet (AFAIK).

I think this is going to be a good series.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:54 AM
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Enjoyed the idea of The Doctor being a lecturer at the university and of course now I wonder what the McGuffin is in the vault. Probably find out at the end.

I was less entranced by Bill and her introduction, the promos had her a bit too much starry-eyed wonder for my taste and the episode didn't do much to alleviate that feeling. I didn't see the compelling reason for The Doctor to choose her, unless showing up to to class for a year is enough. (Of course, I think he could have episodic companions for a change, think of Lynda with a "Y", or Ida Scott, or Osgood, since Capaldi is bailing at the end of the year) However, we will see how Bill grows this year. As long as she is not Rose, Amy, or Clara, the most bestest, most brightest, most awesomenestest displays of womanhood in the universe, she will be tolerable.

Some of this is probably that I spent the last half of the episode thinking "You had a year Moffat! This is the best you could do? Stitch together a neat backstory with the plot and scrapped scenes from (spoiler protection for Mahaloth, who mentioned he hasn't seen it yet)
SPOILER:
Season 7's "Hide"?
Seriously?!?"
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In related news, it seems pretty certain the next Doctor will be Kris Marshall. So, at last, a ginger.

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Old 04-16-2017, 12:03 PM
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In related news, it seems pretty certain the next Doctor will be Kris Marshall. So, at last, a ginger.
I have heard the same. And perhaps the Doctor will regenerate at the end of this series instead of in the Christmas episode?
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:16 PM
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Also caught the Graham Norton episode with Capalidi. I remember him saying they finished the shooting for the season (including his "death" scene) but they still have the Christmas episode to shoot.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:19 PM
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I just saw it. It appeared that they've remodeled the inside of the Tardis for this version.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:36 PM
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... I didn't see the compelling reason for The Doctor to choose her, unless showing up to to class for a year is enough.
There was the hint from Bill's mom's old photos that she'd had an encounter with the Doctor in the past, though--so some pre-existing relationship? Though I suppose if you're the Doctor you could routinely do that sort of thing as a "background check" on future companions...

BTW--any thoughts about "Class", the new teen-Who spin off?

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Old 04-16-2017, 01:07 PM
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There was the hint from Bill's mom's old photos that she'd had an encounter with the Doctor in the past, though--so some pre-existing relationship? Though I suppose if you're the Doctor you could routinely do that sort of thing as a "background check" on future companions...

BTW--any thoughts about "Class", the new teen-Who spin off?
It was implied that the Doctor went and took photos of her mom after she said she didn't have any. It wasn't a pre-existing relationship, but a retroactive one.
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FWIW I love Bill.

Recent companions seem to be to be the anchors for a Doctor who is a bit "off"/random and manic. Bill is a bit "off"/random and manic herself with the Doctor having evolved to being a bit less so and Nardole being a counterpoint of less high energy and greater cynicism.

She can can starry-eyed but then be surprisingly unimpressed when the Doctor is looking for the wonder and just wanting to know where the loo is.

She's played as a very young adult.

The balance here, with Capaldi at least, is not romantic or even fatherly ... she has more a grandkid feel ... hence the shout out to Susan Foreman.

The tempo and style was definitely freshened up too.


Class I don't know about. It comes off to me like they have not decided what demographic to aim for, or aiming for one and missing badly. Quill is a fun character though.
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:38 PM
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Big fan of Bill so far. I saw an article online that gave quick capsule summaries of the rest of the episodes in the season and it looks like it's going to be a good one! Apparently Kris Marshall is going to be the next Doctor, which I'm not sure about. I've not exactly been following the guy's career, but I've only ever seen him acting like a goofball in subpar sitcoms, which doesn't bode well.

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Old 04-16-2017, 09:50 PM
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Maybe Bill needs time to grow on me -- thus far, meh.
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:59 AM
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Liked Bill, the first 45 minutes was a good blend of fun and creepy, then the wheels fell off in the last quarter when they flew off in the Tardis to try and shake off Puddleglum. I mean, I know Unity of Place has never been a defining characteristic of Doctor Who, but running off to Dalek battle was just pointlessly random. They needed to keep the creepy claustrophobia they had in the bathroom scene in her flat, which was nicely scary, and they threw it away so Bill got to have a jaunt in the Tardis. Moffatt can't leave soon enough.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:18 AM
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Generally, my reaction to every new companion is "meh." Bill was more "hmm," so I guess that's good?

My cable went out right near the end(?). How much happened after he decided not to wipe Bill's memory and then she ran outside and saw him with the Tardis?
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Old 04-17-2017, 10:00 AM
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I really liked the episode, a great start. Bill was very entertaining and looks like a fine companion. A couple of thoughts...

They've gone to the well (ha!) a few too many times with water-based alien evil. The menace was pretty bland here, we've seen it before.

Are mom-jeans officially the thing now? Please say no.

The Doctor jumped right in on the fun of having a new companion, much less of the feigned reluctance and gruffness of the past, which is good.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:14 AM
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It was implied that the Doctor went and took photos of her mom after she said she didn't have any. It wasn't a pre-existing relationship, but a retroactive one.
I can be so dense sometimes.

BTW, I know that it is just my problem but I had a really difficult time understanding Bill's accent, and I normally don't have any issues with Brits (or Kiwi's or Aussies either). Is her accent uncommon?
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:24 AM
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I can be so dense sometimes.

BTW, I know that it is just my problem but I had a really difficult time understanding Bill's accent, and I normally don't have any issues with Brits (or Kiwi's or Aussies either). Is her accent uncommon?
For me she just spoke too fast that I couldn't hear the words clearly, so I don't know if she had some phrases that are simply British-isms or if I just couldn't make them out.
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Old 04-17-2017, 11:35 AM
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For me she just spoke too fast that I couldn't hear the words clearly, so I don't know if she had some phrases that are simply British-isms or if I just couldn't make them out.
I got stuck on "knock-thru", at first. I thought she was being clever in describing the interior of the tardis as a something that I didn't quite make out.

Going back until I understood the "knock-thru", and relating that to opening up a hidden second room made her commentary make a bit more sense.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:04 PM
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Didn't under Knock-thru at first either. I also didn't understand what she was calling the Tardis at first either (a kitchen) until she gave it more context. They kept using that line in the commercial for this one and I had no idea.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:20 PM
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I know Unity of Place has never been a defining characteristic of Doctor Who
Well, I mean, yeah.

The Dalek battle was a little silly, I admit, but I didn't mind. It had Movellans in it, how could you not like that?
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:31 PM
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Am I the only one that thought that the "hottest fire in the universe" was going to be the "destruction" of Gallifrey?
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:42 PM
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Am I the only one that thought that the "hottest fire in the universe" was going to be the "destruction" of Gallifrey?
That's where I figured he was going (my wife recognized the Movellans).
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My cable went out right near the end(?). How much happened after he decided not to wipe Bill's memory and then she ran outside and saw him with the Tardis?
She got in the T.A.R.D.I.S. That's all you missed.

OK, so she asked, "What changed your mind?" and he said, "Time." Then she got in.
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I can be so dense sometimes.

BTW, I know that it is just my problem but I had a really difficult time understanding Bill's accent, and I normally don't have any issues with Brits (or Kiwi's or Aussies either). Is her accent uncommon?
I didn't get the Doctor going back to take the photos either. Guess I'll have to re-watch that scene. I also found Bill's accent very hard to understand, and I almost never have trouble when watching British TV shows.

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Am I the only one that thought that the "hottest fire in the universe" was going to be the "destruction" of Gallifrey?
That's where I thought they were going as well, especially when we heard the Daleks.
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Old 04-17-2017, 05:50 PM
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I liked this episode. The Doctor's been going through such angst lately it was good to see a more lighthearted story.

But I couldn't believe Bill was foolish enough to lean over when she saw Heather's face in the puddle on the other planet!
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:02 PM
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She got in the T.A.R.D.I.S. That's all you missed.

OK, so she asked, "What changed your mind?" and he said, "Time." Then she got in.
Speaking of the TARDIS, when was the last time anyone has spelled out the acronym - has that ever been done in the NewWho era?
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Speaking of the TARDIS, when was the last time anyone has spelled out the acronym - has that ever been done in the NewWho era?
Pretty sure it gets mentioned at least once with every new companion. I did like Bill calling out the fact that acronyms don't really work with universal translators.
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:11 PM
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Speaking of the TARDIS, when was the last time anyone has spelled out the acronym - has that ever been done in the NewWho era?
Never mind - this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS#cite_note-8 says the acronym has been spelled out a few times in NuWho, most recently in "The Doctor's Wife."
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:51 PM
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Well, I mean, yeah.

The Dalek battle was a little silly, I admit, but I didn't mind. It had Movellans in it, how could you not like that?
I suppose my problem with it is that if "let's get in the Tardis and run a long way away" is going to be proffered as a solution to every alien menace, episodes are going to be awfully short now.
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Am I the only one that thought that the "hottest fire in the universe" was going to be the "destruction" of Gallifrey?
It wasn't far off. As the Tardis lands you can hear Daleks in the distance shouting "The Doctor is detected! Seek! Locate! Destroy!" which is them finding the War Doctor on Galifrey from the 50th anniversary special, just before he comes flying through the wall at them.
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She got in the T.A.R.D.I.S. That's all you missed.

OK, so she asked, "What changed your mind?" and he said, "Time." Then she got in.
More completely he said (with maybe another word or two in there): "Time ... time ... and relative dimension in space."

IOW that the Tardis convinced him.
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another reason he chose Bill -

"When you hear someting you don't understand - you smile"
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:58 PM
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Big fan of Bill so far. I saw an article online that gave quick capsule summaries of the rest of the episodes in the season and it looks like it's going to be a good one! Apparently Kris Marshall is going to be the next Doctor, which I'm not sure about. I've not exactly been following the guy's career, but I've only ever seen him acting like a goofball in subpar sitcoms, which doesn't bode well.
He stammers and looks confused a lot in frothy whodunnit in pretty location Death In Paradise, which doesn't bode particularly well.
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Liked Bill, the first 45 minutes was a good blend of fun and creepy, then the wheels fell off in the last quarter when they flew off in the Tardis to try and shake off Puddleglum. I mean, I know Unity of Place has never been a defining characteristic of Doctor Who, but running off to Dalek battle was just pointlessly random. They needed to keep the creepy claustrophobia they had in the bathroom scene in her flat, which was nicely scary, and they threw it away so Bill got to have a jaunt in the Tardis. Moffatt can't leave soon enough.
I hear what you say, but this was clearly a "new viewers start here" episode*, so I think they really needed to include a scene introducing the Tardis and what it can do.

*Made explicit by the title: only a series about time travel could have episode #828 as "The Pilot". Moffat must have been giggling to himself all day when he thought of that.
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That location in Sydney, Australia is a real place you can go, frequently photographed, but not exactly the tourist hotspot it implied. Though there is a water taxi stop a little ways away, which is probably what they decided to pretend it was.
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Well, that ("Smile") was one of the weakest they've had in a long time.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:51 AM
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Haven't seen 'Smile' yet, but 'Pilot' made me think about the "All those quarries" comment in the Rowan Atkinson comedy Doctor Who video.
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Can someone remind me about the vault he referred to and why he's supposed to remain on Earth?
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Can someone remind me about the vault he referred to and why he's supposed to remain on Earth?
I think that these are mysteries that will be resolved in the current season.

I could hazard guesses, but would most likely end up looking foolish once it is revealed.


Dseid, what was weak about it? I haven't seen it yet.
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I didn't mind it, but I think this season they're going for a Russell T Davies, David Tennant and Martha vibe, except that they can't quite pull off the cheery spontaneity - and fresh-faced and wide-eyed isn't Capaldi's strong suit - so it feels rather forced. Also that one looked really cheap, like they blew the production budget on the robots and had nothing left for the city mattes. I mean, the hydroponic garden set wouldn't have looked amiss in a Peter Davison episode.
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... Dseid, what was weak about it? I haven't seen it yet.
The plot was silly and not in the fun silly way but in the just dumb way and without any other aspects (like very clever dialogue or characters or fun villain/threat or development) to offset it.

IMHO.
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I didn't mind it, but I think this season they're going for a Russell T Davies, David Tennant and Martha vibe, except that they can't quite pull off the cheery spontaneity - and fresh-faced and wide-eyed isn't Capaldi's strong suit - so it feels rather forced.
Thank you! I was trying to explain to my husband why this episode felt "off" to me. All I could think was, "God, I miss Donna."

I'll give Bill a few more episodes before I make a definitive opinion. So far I'm not very impressed. I've been saying that, though, about every companion since Donna.
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The plot was silly and not in the fun silly way but in the just dumb way and without any other aspects (like very clever dialogue or characters or fun villain/threat or development) to offset it.

IMHO.
I saw it as kind of a finding-our-feet episode---a fairly generic Doctor Who plot, with a focus on what the new companion does when presented with the extraordinary (and without, thankfully---and so far---having the companion being yet another girl-at-the-center-of-the-writer's-teenage-fantasies). As such, I thought it was perfectly alright, if not stellar.

But it seems to me there's been a marked change to Capaldi's Doctor, taking the edge off a bit to make him more likable. I'm not sure I like that---after a bit of initial resistance, I eventually grew to welcome Capaldi as a much-needed change of pace. But well, it's still early days with the new companion.
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Two tests against killer villains to decide it Bill was sufficiently lucky to survive being a companion.

The Doctor isn't reluctant to being people on. He's reluctant to get attached to them before he knows if they have sufficient luck and pluck to survive his dangers.

I wonder how many others died before Bill? Of course they don't tell us that.
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I don't mind Bill, but the plots thus far have been uninspiring. I realize the first episode needed to concentrate on character development and so am willing to give it a pass, but "Smile" had neither character development nor much of a plot beyond "Oh look - smiley robots! Oh help - smiley robots! Oh look - a deus ex machina!".

I mean, the smiley robots were nicely menacing and we got a new killer (literally) emoji out of it, but otherwise yawn city. Not only is this not the only or best NuWho episode to feature scary smiley robots but they even referenced / lampshaded that one in passing in discussing the Doctor's experience with colony ships escaping Earth.

BTW one more niggling point: when the Doctor went back inside to blow things up, why didn't he take the TARDIS? What's the logic in "I'm going to create a massive explosion big enough to destroy this entire building...and I'm going to leave my means of escaping the massive explosion a mile away because I can't be bothered to move it"?

(And on a snarky note: I couldn't help think that it would have been hilarious if the robots had displayed euro signs instead of pound signs, just to wind up certain viewers...)
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What did you think of the crack about the Scottish independence movement?
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(And on a snarky note: I couldn't help think that it would have been hilarious if the robots had displayed euro signs instead of pound signs, just to wind up certain viewers...)
Not only that: The logo on the ship said "United Earth", so the global currency is the British pound? I guess now we know who the imperialistic aggressor was in those global wars that ravaged the planet.

I enjoyed the first episode. This one... meh.
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I think that they've been to the "you have to/you mustn't perform a basic human function" well about two times too many.

Don't Pee: The Doctor and Bill find themselves on a planet of waterfalls, where something is living in the plumbing, and to go for a slash spells instant death. How long can they hold on?
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Planet of the Constipated

Doctor: What do you mean you can't poop? How can you not do a basic human function?
Colonist: There's something living in the sewage network and killing people when they sit in the loo. I myself haven't had a movement in at least a week and I'm getting frightfully bloated and uncomfortable! Oh Doctor, can't you do something about it?
Doctor: Can't you just poop in the woods?
Colonist: HOW UNCIVILIZED!
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Doctor: What do you mean you can't poop? How can you not do a basic human function?
Colonist: There's something living in the sewage network and killing people when they sit in the loo. I myself haven't had a movement in at least a week and I'm getting frightfully bloated and uncomfortable! Oh Doctor, can't you do something about it?
Doctor: Can't you just poop in the woods?
Colonist: HOW UNCIVILIZED!
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