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Old 12-29-2017, 05:56 PM
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Human bones found in back yard

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In a nutshell: A homeowner who had been letting out a house for the last ten years was cleaning up and renovating after evicting tenants for non-payment of rent and for trashing the house. A human skeleton was found buried in the back yard.

Eventually they'll find out when the person died, and that will lead to suspects. The (presumed) homicide may even be solved. Can any Sacramento-area/NorCal Dopers post here if anything turns up?
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:46 PM
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If it was only a skeleton found (body entirely decomposed), it was probably buried for at least 10-12 years. So it was probably buried before he started to lease the house out. So back when this homeowner was living in the house, maybe?
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:29 AM
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He should pray it’s a murder victim, not an archeological site. The former (presuming he has no involvement) means a few weeks of police work and that’s it. The latter....
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:32 AM
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It doesn't say how much of the skeleton was found but I'm guessing that absent something specifically identifying the deceased like a wallet or serialized medical implant they'll do a DNA search and matching dental records against missing persons from the estimated date of death.

It'll be interesting if they have to go so far as a facial reconstruction from the skull.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:56 AM
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They found some human bones down the street from us in Waikiki earlier this year. A utility crew unearthed them. But they seem to have been a few hundred years old. (The bones, not the utility crew.)
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:10 AM
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On the news last night: bones in a suitcase.

I like the way the report we saw ended: Authorities don't know if foul play was involved. It's like the old newsroom advice: write your story and delete the last sentence. It's either useless or sounds stupid.
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:47 AM
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It doesn't say how much of the skeleton was found...
From the link:
Investigators dug up more than just bones -- they discovered an entire human skeleton.


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... but I'm guessing that absent something specifically identifying the deceased like a wallet or serialized medical implant they'll do a DNA search and matching dental records against missing persons from the estimated date of death.

It'll be interesting if they have to go so far as a facial reconstruction from the skull.
A wallet, they didn't mention. They'll undoubtedly examine DNA samples, but I wonder if they'll do a digital reconstruction of the face to attract people ton compare the DNA to?
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On the news last night: bones in a suitcase.

I like the way the report we saw ended: Authorities don't know if foul play was involved. It's like the old newsroom advice: write your story and delete the last sentence. It's either useless or sounds stupid.
There have been at least a couple cases in Thailand where a body was found hanged with hands tied behind the back, and the police refused to rule out suicide. In fact, one case the police did push the suicide theory before walking back on it amid a public outcry.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:52 PM
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I still remember the case in England where a young man was reported missing from work and eventually the police entered his apartment and found a) the heat had been turned way up to make the room very hot, and b) the young man was stuffed into a small bag-zipped up from the outside. It was unfortunate that the high heat had decomposed the body so much that the police could no longer test for drugs in the body.

It just so happened that the individual worked as an office worker in some British intelligence service.

The police after considering all possibilities determined that the case was a suicide. They even hired a contortionist to demonstrate that it is (barely) possible to zip up the bag from the inside.

Sounds like the southern coroner that looked at the dozens of bullet holes fired by the local police in an "escaping" prisoner and said it was the worst case of suicide he had ever seen.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:15 PM
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I still remember the case in England where a young man was reported missing from work and eventually the police entered his apartment and found a) the heat had been turned way up to make the room very hot, and b) the young man was stuffed into a small bag-zipped up from the outside. It was unfortunate that the high heat had decomposed the body so much that the police could no longer test for drugs in the body.
. . .
If it's the case I'm thinking of, he was a known claustrophilic. Now yes, that could just be the weakness some enemy chose to exploit, but he really wasn't all that important, or rich or romantically involved, or in any other way an explicable target for murder.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:24 PM
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After googling a bit: I think you are talking about Gareth Williams. Not the same case. The young man I'm thinking of had been rescued from the trunk of his own car at least twice by the local fire brigade.
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I still remember the case in England where a young man was reported missing from work and eventually the police entered his apartment and found a) the heat had been turned way up to make the room very hot, and b) the young man was stuffed into a small bag-zipped up from the outside. It was unfortunate that the high heat had decomposed the body so much that the police could no longer test for drugs in the body.

It just so happened that the individual worked as an office worker in some British intelligence service.

The police after considering all possibilities determined that the case was a suicide. They even hired a contortionist to demonstrate that it is (barely) possible to zip up the bag from the inside.

Sounds like the southern coroner that looked at the dozens of bullet holes fired by the local police in an "escaping" prisoner and said it was the worst case of suicide he had ever seen.
That sounds really familiar. Is that what the recent British miniseries “London Spy” was based on?
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:21 PM
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A man has been arrested for homicide in relation to this case. The victim's name has not been released, but it looks like the murder was committed in 2015.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:45 PM
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[I]t looks like the murder was committed in 2015.
Only two and a half years then. Seems a short time in a fairly dry climate for such decomposition.

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The victim's name has not been released...
'He was the boyfriend of the daughter who lived there.' So I'm guessing the remains are of a single parent? I wonder if the family that was evicted in November is the same one that lived there in 2015. If so, that might account for the rent problems and the condition of the house. (If not, then it seems Velasquez has bad luck with tenants.)

Thanks for the update.
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:01 AM
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Only two and a half years then. Seems a short time in a fairly dry climate for such decomposition.
They found the bones when they were just clearing away a bunch of debris (well, supposedly, a cat dug it up - cats don't dig very deep - it sounds as though the grave was especially shallow- that means insects will have taken care of most of the soft tissues. There will have been a considerable stink at some point though.
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:58 AM
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well, supposedly, a cat dug it up - cats don't dig very deep.
I assumed a CAT dug them up.
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I assumed a CAT dug them up.
That does make more sense. Maybe the news article mistransposed it as just 'cat'. then again, 'digging at' in "...and a cat was digging at an area, and my friend found it..." does sound more like a description of a feline.
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Sounds like the southern coroner that looked at the dozens of bullet holes fired by the local police in an "escaping" prisoner and said it was the worst case of suicide he had ever seen.
Or the body weighted down, dragged from the swamp: "Tried stealing more chain than he could swim with".
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some of this this reminds me of a old ron shock routiene where he read in the paper in louisana about a guy who was shot in the head and chest 8 times with a single shot rifle ......... police said it was suicide ..

he riffed on what a determinied tough sob the deceased was to shoot himself ..see he didn't die load the gun pump it and shoot again ...... 7 more times ......
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some of this this reminds me of a old ron shock routiene where he read in the paper in louisana about a guy who was shot in the head and chest 8 times with a single shot rifle ......... police said it was suicide ..

he riffed on what a determinied tough sob the deceased was to shoot himself ..see he didn't die load the gun pump it and shoot again ...... 7 more times ......
Sounds like a Thai "suicide."
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The victim's name has not been released, but it looks like the murder was committed in 2015.
Victim identified as Sager's roommate, Joseph Michaels, 24.
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They found some human bones down the street from us in Waikiki earlier this year. A utility crew unearthed them. But they seem to have been a few hundred years old. (The bones, not the utility crew.)
My BFF's dad is a farmer, and this happened to him. The land had been in his family for several generations and nobody could remember anyone having been buried there, and law enforcement determined that the bones belonged to a Caucasian man in his 40s who had probably been dead for more than 100 years. Being that this was the Kansas prairie, it makes sense: probably a family passing through in a covered wagon, and Dad got sick, was in an accident, or possibly even died from "indigestion" and was buried there before they moved on.

He was later reburied in the county plot.

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Victim identified as Sager's roommate, Joseph Michaels, 24.
someones getting a murder charge ........
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:14 PM
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Or the old joke about an escaped prisoner who died after being shot eight times. The coroner labeled it "natural causes" because if you get shot that many times "naturally you're gonna die".
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Victim identified as Sager's roommate, Joseph Michaels, 24.
How much you want to bet it was for really stupid reasons? Maybe I watch too much Homicide Hunter but it seems like people will murder each other over unfathomably petty things. 24 years old, dammit. That's so young.
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How much you want to bet it was for really stupid reasons? Maybe I watch too much Homicide Hunter but it seems like people will murder each other over unfathomably petty things.
IKR? I was hoping for something more sinister.
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How much you want to bet it was for really stupid reasons? Maybe I watch too much Homicide Hunter but it seems like people will murder each other over unfathomably petty things. 24 years old, dammit. That's so young.
Oh my goodness, Homicide Hunter and the First 48. I had to quit watching those shows because it was always some young people squabbling over incredibly petty nonsense and winding up dead. Too depressing for me right now.

Human bones were found a few years ago at the lot where a friend of mine was building a house. It turned out to be someone they think died during one of the several waves of Yellow Fever. You can't dig more than a few feet deep anywhere in Savannah and not find bones.
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How much you want to bet it was for really stupid reasons? Maybe I watch too much Homicide Hunter but it seems like people will murder each other over unfathomably petty things. 24 years old, dammit. That's so young.
In that part of town, my guess would be drugs related.
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Reminds me of another famous case: Dorothea Puente.

On November 11, 1988, police inquired after the disappearance of tenant Alberto Montoya, a developmentally disabled man with schizophrenia whose social worker had reported missing. After noticing disturbed soil on the property, they uncovered the body of tenant Leona Carpenter, 78. Seven bodies were eventually found, and Puente was charged with a total of nine murders, convicted of three and sentenced to two life sentences.

I hope this area does not become famous for this sort of thing.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:32 AM
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Or the old joke about an escaped prisoner who died after being shot eight times. The coroner labeled it "natural causes" because if you get shot that many times "naturally you're gonna die".
Not necessarily. Decades ago I remember a Mike Royko column where some cops in Detroit had cornered a desperate criminal and between shotgun pellets and bullets, he had seventeen holes in him, yet lived. Royko commented, "Shot seventeen times and still alive? Those guys gotta spend more time at the range."
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Reminds me of another famous case: Dorothea Puente.

On November 11, 1988, police inquired after the disappearance of tenant Alberto Montoya, a developmentally disabled man with schizophrenia whose social worker had reported missing. After noticing disturbed soil on the property, they uncovered the body of tenant Leona Carpenter, 78. Seven bodies were eventually found, and Puente was charged with a total of nine murders, convicted of three and sentenced to two life sentences.

I hope this area does not become famous for this sort of thing.
That case was a little different...Puente a sweet little old lady who took in elderly borders, killed them, then continues collecting their Social Security checks. It was just like Arsenic and Old Lace, but without the elderberry wine (or Cary Grant).
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That case was a little different...Puente a sweet little old lady who took in elderly borders, killed them, then continues collecting their Social Security checks. It was just like Arsenic and Old Lace, but without the elderberry wine (or Cary Grant).
Or Randolph Scott.
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That case was a little different...Puente a sweet little old lady who took in elderly borders, killed them, then continues collecting their Social Security checks. It was just like Arsenic and Old Lace, but without the elderberry wine (or Cary Grant).
Oh, yes, it is different in many ways, but similar with the burying murder victim(s) in the yard.
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In that part of town, my guess would be drugs related.
Lt. Joe Kenda's advice if you want to not be murdered: Don't become involved in the trafficking or sale of narcotics, don't hang out in bars after 2am, and be careful who you marry.

Not blaming the victims, just speculating on the most common causes or murder. It really does seem to come down to those three things.
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