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Old 09-04-2001, 11:02 PM
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The trivia book BIGGER SECRETS goes into a lot of detail describing an alleged 1960s sex loop supposedly starring a then-unknown Babs Streisand.

The author studied a few copies of the creditless videotapes and says it could be her. The people the author showed the tape to thought it was her.

I've seen a copy of the tape and I'm pretty convinced it's her. Has anyone else seen this tape? Has any new info come to light since that trivia book was published about ten years ago?
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Old 09-04-2001, 11:22 PM
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I'm not a big BS fan but of all the celebs on this planet who might possibly have done a porn loop BS would be near the bottom of the list.

Although it does make an amusing picture to imagine the control freak that is BS directing herself in one of these features.

"You call that a woody! I've seen better wood on a popsicle stick! Fluffer! Not not you, you idiot the fluffer for Mr. Performace Anxiety over there. Makeup!!! I'm sweating like a sow under these lights."
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Old 09-04-2001, 11:27 PM
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I'm not a big BS fan but of all the celebs on this planet who might possibly have done a porn loop BS would be near the bottom of the list.

Although it does make an amusing picture to imagine the control freak that is BS directing herself in one of these features.

"You call that a woody! I've seen better wood on a popsicle stick! Fluffer! Not not you, you idiot the fluffer for Mr. Performace Anxiety over there. Makeup!!! I'm sweating like a sow under these lights."
I guess I should have said that this was most likely made before Madam Control Freak got famous. If I'm not mistaken, this sex loop appeared on the same videotape as footage from Sly Stallone's early porn movie. Though while Stallone's stuff was softcore, this "Babs" stuff was definitely hardcore.
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Old 09-04-2001, 11:37 PM
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I suppose I should have been more clear. Although I don't find BS particularly likable she is very intelligent and canny about business and doesn't strike me as anyone that would need to resort to porn to make ends meet regardless of how strained her circumstances were.
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Yea but you got to see the tape

Its either her or a damn near clone of her. Even in shady quality it sure as hell look like Babs.
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Old 09-05-2001, 10:09 AM
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Barbra Streisand was already pretty famous in 1962:
http://shapirobernstein.com/mbr/tour/strei.htm,
at least where she wouldn't have had to do it for $$.

I know she also was invited to the White House during
JFK's administration. I think she was too well known
to have done something like that.
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Old 09-05-2001, 10:21 AM
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If this tape were "the real thing" don't you think that every adult book shop, internet porn site and "mens magazine" would be selling or otherwise touting "The Streisand Tape" if it had even a hint of veracity attached to it just as they have with every celeb x rated video that's popped up over they years that they could get their hands on.

I suppose anythings possible but I don't think I bet my lunch money on this scenario.

Also (you're makin' me use google) look at the following history timeline from http://home.clara.net/rmns/barbra1.htm

Barbara Joan Streisand was born in Brooklyn on 24 April 1942. Her parents Diana and Emanuel Streisand were married in 1930. They had their first child, Sheldon in 1935. It was seven years later that Barbara arrived. Later she would change her name, as she once said to a reporter 'Two a's are plenty. For nineteen years I had three a's and enough is enough. Now I'm Barbra'.

(13 years old)
Barbra made her first record in 1955 when she was 13 years old at Nola Recording Studios, New York City. The song was called "You'll Never Know".

(19 years old)
Her first TV appearance was on The Jack Paar Show on April 5 1961 singing "A Sleepin Bee".

(20 years old)Her first Broadway show was 'I Can Get It For You Wholesale' at the Sam S. Shubert Theatre/Broadway Theatre from March 22 - December 9 1962.

(21 years old)'The Barbra Streisand Album' was her first Columbia Records album, released in February 1963 to be followed by 'The Second Barbra Streisand Album' in August the same year. 'Barbra Streisand The Third Album' followed in 1964.


At what point in this rapidly and almost seamlessly ascending career would it have seemed like a "a good idea" for this intelligent and reasonably well educated successful singer/actress to take a day off to do a porn loop?


Yeah Yeah I know... "But man it looks just like her."
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Old 09-05-2001, 10:30 AM
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But Astro, I've seen that porn loop and it did look like her. Honest!
Has anyone considered the possibility that some boyfriend might have videotaped them in the act without her knowledge?
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I seriously doubt her boyfriend could have videotaped her without her knowledge in 1962. Back then there were no vcr's He'da had to sneek a tv studio into the bedroom. Now if he FILMED her in secret......
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Small personal videotape cameras did not exist in 1962 and (IIRC) handheld movie cameras of the time made a pretty good whirring racket. Also, just from a practical perspective, why would someone go to the trouble of filming her surreptiously when they could pay a more willing and attractive starving coed, starlet or prostitute and probably get a livelier performance.

"Oh but it's just got to be true. It's just gotta be. All those Kleenexes wasted on a look alike!!! It's outrageous!"
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"Oh but it's just got to be true. It's just gotta be. All those Kleenexes wasted on a look alike!!! It's outrageous!"
Okay, now I think that I'm going to be ill.
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Old 09-05-2001, 11:18 AM
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I will have to defer to your superior knowledge of video technology, Astro, but believe me, the young woman on the tape I saw, whoever she may be, gave a pretty lively performance.
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I haven't seen the tape. . .

But I trust that those that have say it did look like her.

In a related line, though. . .

When Frank Gifford consummated his affair with Suzen Johnson (sp?), was that captured on film/tape for all to enjoy?

(Also, there's supposedly a porn with a young Joan Crawford look-alike. Haven't seen it either.)
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Old 09-05-2001, 03:01 PM
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I seriously doubt her boyfriend could have videotaped her without her knowledge in 1962. Back then there were no vcr's He'da had to sneek a tv studio into the bedroom. Now if he FILMED her in secret......
Nah, whoever that actress was, she knew Mr. Cameraman was there. He was practically using a macro-lens through the whole thing.
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If this tape were "the real thing" don't you think that every adult book shop, internet porn site and "mens magazine" would be selling or otherwise touting "The Streisand Tape" if it had even a hint of veracity attached to it just as they have with every celeb x rated video that's popped up over they years that they could get their hands on.


Yeah Yeah I know... "But man it looks just like her."
Clips of the loop have been shown on cable TV and in magazines. The video distributor of this tape surely wants you to think it's her. During the whole film, the mystery woman's scenes are interspersed with glossy present-day head shots of Babs. I'm wondering why Barbra didn't try to sue these distributors out of business. Wouldn't this amount to slander?

Just because she was hugely famous by 19 doesn't mean she couldn't have made the film while she was underage. I doubt the early 60s were as stringent about age verification as they are now. Heck, look at Traci Lords. She was making them when she was 14. And don't think that Babs didn't have some lean years when she was starting out. She surely did.
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Hold on there. Babs was not "hugely famous by 19." She was an up-and-comer by age 19.

Her role in I Can Get It for You Wholesale in late 1962 (age 20) was her first real break -- but even then she had a very minor bit role and sang just one song ("Miss Marmelstein" [sp?]). But, boy, she sang it swell.
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Old 09-05-2001, 07:39 PM
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Babs

One factor everyone seems to overlook is that Babs may have wanted to be filmed! Look at it this way...anyone who at whatever age she was when she filmed Yentl, no i don't care if that's the correct spelling, tries to pass herself off as an 18 year old anything, has to be a bit screwy! And just about anyone who knows artists knows that they don't think like normal people, for good or ill. Ego, perhaps?!?! Compensating for a low self image, perhaps!?!?! Trying to make the love of her life happy!!!??? Point being, she may have done it money or no, famous or no, knowingly or no (Ha! i'm proud of that one)!
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Old 09-05-2001, 11:24 PM
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Yes, Babs was a little nutty in her early days. I remember reading the I Can Get It for You Wholesale liner notes on the original cast album -- this was an original original cast album, not one of the numerous reprints that have been stamped over the years. Babs claimed in her bio blurb that she was born in Madagascar.

This fellow-Brooklynite says, "For shame!"
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Old 09-05-2001, 11:50 PM
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I've seen a copy of the tape. Like most people who've seen it, I'd agree that the woman in it bears an uncanny resemblence to Barbara Streisand. Despite this, I strongly doubt it's her. By this time, the tape is well enough known that if it was actually her, confirmation would have been made by someone.
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Old 09-06-2001, 12:10 AM
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[BHer role in I Can Get It for You Wholesale in late 1962 (age 20) was her first real break -- but even then she had a very minor bit role and sang just one song ("Miss Marmelstein" [sp?]). But, boy, she sang it swell. [/B]
Not that minor she won the NEW York Drama Critics Award and was nominated for a Tony.

She had begun her singing career as a teenager by winning a contest. Before her first Broadway role she was a highly regarded nightclub singer performing at places as swank as the Bon Soir and the Blue Angel. She sure wasn't struggling.
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At what point in this rapidly and almost seamlessly ascending career would it have seemed like a "a good idea" for this intelligent and reasonably well educated successful singer/actress to take a day off to do a porn loop?
I can come up with some pretty wild, crazy, and sleazy (and, in some cases, sinister) scenarios. Would you like to hear them, perhaps?
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Go ahead and tell us your scenarios, as long as you don't mind us ripping them to shreds.
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I don't believe for a moment that Barbra Streisand ever did a porn film.

There MAY be a 60s-era porn film featuring an actress who resembles Barbra, but I think there's another reason for the rumor: in the early 70s, Barba did a bedroom scene with George Segal in mainstream Hollywood sex comedy "The Owl and the Pussycat." In the process of filming, some footage of a naked Barbra was shot, though almost all of it was removed during the editing process.

Years later, porn magazines found this "lost" footage, and started publishing snippets of the film that had been left on the editing room floor.

From this, I think a lot of people drew the erroneous conclusion that Ms. Streisand had done a porno flick.
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Old 09-06-2001, 10:25 AM
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http://urbanlegends.com/celebrit...and_porno.html

I haven't seen the footage, but the cite above notes that
it was made 'when miniskirts were in fashion.'

That eliminates, I believe, any time before Babs was truly
famous, so I think all the speculation that she did it
during the short time she struggled after high school is
wrong.
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Old 09-06-2001, 08:45 PM
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Well, I highly doubt that she did a porn film, but I think the, "No one famous would do that" argument is bogus.

Pamela Anderson, anyone?

Bob Crane?

Rob Lowe?

I'm willing to bet that there are lots of stars out there with a home-made porn tape of themselves hidden away somewhere (or a whole collection of them). Taping yourself having sex seems to be a fairly common hobby, and I'd guess that it's even more so for people who live in front of the camera, are beautiful, and have big egos.

Babs could have made one either privately or at some orgy of friends or something, and it got out of her control and published. I'd have no trouble at all believing that. I just don't see any evidence for it.
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Don't forget we had a Miss America (who is now very successful now) lose her crown because of these kind of pics.

I've seen the pics of Babs and I don't care if it isn't her, it sure would fool the POPE.
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I saw Bab's rebuttal of this rumour in some magazine...don't remember which one.

Anyway, she totally denied it. She said the giveaway was the hands. Bab's has long, slender fingers and evidently the "porno babs" had short stubby fingers.
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I saw Bab's rebuttal of this rumour in some magazine...don't remember which one.

Anyway, she totally denied it. She said the giveaway was the hands. Bab's has long, slender fingers and evidently the "porno babs" had short stubby fingers.
She's right about that
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Old 09-07-2001, 03:24 AM
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Methinks Astro hath been protesting entirely too much.

Is there anything you want to tell us?
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Methinks Astro hath been protesting entirely too much.

Is there anything you want to tell us?
Yeah actually there is. I resisted but with your latest observation I just can't contain my amusement any longer.

I'm not a big Barbra Streisand fan by any measure but this hilarious nonsense is actually making me feel some compassion for her. With all due respect the chances of this really being Barbra Streisand are so remote you would have a better shot of being beaned by a Martian meteorite walking down Main Street at high noon. The degree to which some otherwise intelligent people will suspend common sense so that their favorite flog fantasy isn't damaged is truly precious.

Having resolved that this is not a "hidden" video and that there is a camera man wandering the room shooting at varous angles and magnifications we have to imagine that this intensely private (in her personal life), very intelligent, young, up and coming, actress/singer teenager decides in
the moral context of the late 50's early 60's to make something that looks like a porn loop.

She's hasn't hit the big time yet at this point but she's a very popular singer at the high end nightclubs in NT and most assuredly is not missing any meals during this time. So this would have to be a work of ego and not economic need. A teenager would have to decide during the early 60's. "You know, I am such an amazing ride that I've gotta film this for my archives. Lights camera action!"

That she would even consider doing this once the record and movie contracts began to roll in, and this shrewd and ambitious woman has an image to maintain and protect, pushes dis-belief past the point that even the most ardent chicken choker could entertain.

As I said previously anything is possible but that doesn't mean it's probable. That a woman who is Barbra Streisand's doppelganger would make a porn video is a lot more probable than someone as careful with her public image as Streisand.

So to sum it is a lot more likely that a Barbra Streisand lookalike is sweating to the oldies in the grainy film being referred to but this of couse a lot less fun than imagining that Barbra, THE Barbra, "Babs" is making like the beast with two backs for your viewing pleasure.

As a final note your comment was especially funny in that mine (though I resisted) was going to be...

"Man... you boys have a big emotional investment in this little fantasy. I suspect numerous boxes of kleenex have been sacrificed on this particular altar."

In any event have your fun fantasy if you must and please don't get any on the rug.
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So? Did Dr. Laura really pose nude or are the fingers too short?
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So? Did Dr. Laura really pose nude or are the fingers too short?
Polaroids between two people I could easily believe. Hell I'd even expect that for any adventurous couple in the 60's and 70's. Hiring a cameraman to film you and be willing to go at in front of him is a whole different kettle of fish even beyond the other stuff I mentioned.
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I've seen it. It's from a black and white stag film, looks like Super-8 shot in a poorly lit hotel room. I saw it on a "pornography of the stars" compilation which also contained a clip from Sly Stallone's (unmistakeable and undenied) The Italian Stallion and a (very dubious and shot outdoors from long distance) short of someone supposed to be Chuck Connors with a dude in a Marine uniform.

My opinion might carry some weight, in a perverse sort of way. I'm the guy who has been beaten down on this very board for mistaking the girl who did Cindy Brady in a film called Taboo II, and for thinking I saw Warren Beatty in Night of the Hunter. I still think Toshiro Mifune might have made a cameo in Fistful of Dollars. In short, I am the Seethruart of mistaken celebrities. Here is my opinion:

First of all, it's a bad porno. If you watch a lot of porno, like I do, you know that when I say "bad" in reference to a late-50's/early-60's stag film, I mean that it really, really sucks. Furthermore, it appears to have been transferred to video long ago, and it is sorely degraded. There is one feature which the most severe degradation can never erase, and that is the "actress'" nose. However, as far as the "stubby hands" observation goes, I would suggest that it's all relative compared to the rather impressive male participant in the film.

I'm here to tell you that I can't tell if it's Babs or not. It is a very young girl with a very distinctive nose, and that's all I can tell. Coming from me, that should mean something.

You think that Barbara is the only person with that sort of snout? Come on--that's why cosmetic surgery was invented in the first place.
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Oh, yeah. I should add that there are two men in the film, but one, um, completed his part early on and stepped off screen well before the money shot.
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Methinks Astro hath been protesting entirely too much.

Is there anything you want to tell us?

"Man... you boys have a big emotional investment in this little fantasy. I suspect numerous boxes of kleenex have been sacrificed on this particular altar."

No, the thought of Babs naked sickens me. I just think that someone who has proven to be that big of a wench prolly had some seemy stuff in her past, a la Joan Crawford or Dr. Laura. My fantasies are more of the Rachel Ryan or Debi Diamond variety. Thanks for asking.
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There is one fact that clinches that it is not actually "Babs". The fact that any and all watchers have not gouged out their eyes with flaming hot pokers.

The thing that I find interesting is that some actually seem excited about really seeing Streisand in a porno. Yes, to each his own, but in my opinion, even connoisseurs of German poo films have better taste.

I could see it from a degradation standpoint: oh, yeah, you're so great now, but I remember when you were sporting the pearl necklace with the matching earrings. Now THAT was elegant!

For those of you that think she's a hottie: you may be interested in some steamy photos I have of Bea Arthur being naughty with Ernest Borgnine, and then in comes Charles Bronson...Awwww, yeah, baby.
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Um, yeah.

How about we stick to the facts on this one. M'kay?
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I don't expect anybody to believe, but back around 1978-79, I witnessed the 8mm silent film entitled "Barbra". Came in a green box. To cut to the chase, it was her...and 15 other fraternity brothers all agreed, although we were highly skeptical before viewing it. To be frank, we were in utter shock. The few pics I've seen on the net as of late are almost completely degraded to the point of it being almost impossible to tell, but if you can find any old porn dealers to speak to, they'll totally verify that it was her. Trust me, it was....and zzzero chance of a mistake. Turns out the Babs tried to prevent its distribution in court, but failing that, rumor has it that she tried to buy up all the copies that were in the channels. The person who showed us the video way back then had "shady" connections, and as much as we begged, he refused to let us make a copy. I can't even imagine how much it would be worth today, but in 1979, three of us offered him $100 to dupe it. Flash forward 30 years, and of course, nobody believes any of us. The scene that proved it was her to us was when she was going down on a guy, the camera zooms in to about 5 ft away, and right after the guy orgasms, she picks her head up and looks straight into the camera, jism dripping from the corner of her mouth. The owner of the film froze the projector right at that very moment, then exclaimed with a big shit-eating smile; "Ok, boys, WHO IS IT?!" There was dead silence in the room due to the shock. God's honest truth. No mistaking her.
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Well, I guess we can call it case closed then. Never mind logic, timelines, or probability. 16 drunken fratboys can't be wrong.

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Well, I guess we can call it case closed then. Never mind logic, timelines, or probability. 16 drunken fratboys can't be wrong.
We weren't drunk at all, sir. In fact, it was parents weekend. The logic, timelines, etc. stand. The tape was made in the early 60's, I believe, but then again, you are more than free to believe what you like. I don't care. I know that I witnessed it and will take that truth to my grave. You are free to keep her on your own private pedestal for as long as it makes you feel secure, but I would testify in court if I had to that I saw her in a porn film with my very own eyes.
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Whatever floats your boat.

Edit: Hey look, a website devoted to people who look like other people. Naw, they must all be the same person because it's impossible for someone to look like someone else.

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We were all HIGHLY skeptical. Don't forget that we were also VERY familiar with her appearance, which was one helluva lot closer to her porn age back then. You have doubts due her public image cultivated over all these years, but like I said, find a porn store with an elderly owner and they'll set you straight.
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I can't even begin to tell you how uninterested I am in seeing a babs lookalike doing porn.

But I am rather curious as to why this issue was so important to you that you had to reopen an almost 10 year old thread to provide an anecdote about a stag film you saw. (Here's a hint: "Dude, it's totally her, like trust me." is not evidence. It was not evidence 10 years ago, I don't know why you think it's evidence now.)
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Turns out the Babs tried to prevent its distribution in court,
Which would be a clincher. If it were true. There would be publicly available records of the case. So ... cite?
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Here is more about the movie:

Although the “actress” in this “film” resembles Barbra, it is not her.

The movie is actually called The Personal Touch. The same actress that looks like Barbra also appeared in another movie called Auto-Sex.

Streisand even joked about it in a 1977 Playboy interview: “I couldn't resist the temptation to see what the actress looked like—and also to check out her performance—so we got a copy. The film, naturally, is very blurred. The girl has long hair, like I did back in the Sixties, although she was chubby, while I was very skinny. But the dead giveaway came when the camera zoomed in on her hands around the guy's you-know-what. There they were: short, stubby fingers! Definitely not mine. So all you would-be buyers, don't waste your money.”


Surprising that the myth lasted past the Playboy interview.
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Before her career took off, Streisand was a regular on a NY talk show with Mike Wallace. So, even then she had a legitimate source of income.
The link below gives a lot of info on Babs early NY days. She never was desperate enough to do a porn flick.
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Streisand also began appearing on a late night New York-based TV talk show called PM East, a show that Group W and Westinghouse created to compete with Jack Parr. One of the hosts of that show was Mike Wallace, later of 60 Minutes fame, but with whom Streisand struck a chord. Her first show there was in July 1961, and she became something of regular, appearing more than a dozen times through 1961 and 1962. On the show, in addition to singing, she also became known as a talkative and sometimes zany guest, engaging Wallace and the others in lively exchanges.
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During her early days in Manhattan, Streisand occasionally lived with friends, carrying a folding cot around. She was something of a vagabond and dressed in the latest thrift-store chic. She worked odd jobs and tried to enter the famous Actors Studio, but failed.

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We weren't drunk at all, sir. In fact, it was parents weekend. The logic, timelines, etc. stand. The tape was made in the early 60's, I believe, but then again, you are more than free to believe what you like. I don't care. I know that I witnessed it and will take that truth to my grave. You are free to keep her on your own private pedestal for as long as it makes you feel secure, but I would testify in court if I had to that I saw her in a porn film with my very own eyes.

So, no drinking on parents weekend... but roll the porn films!
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:54 AM
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We'll just writing a paragraph isn't really the proof people are interested in ....

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God's honest truth.
...Oh, I missed that. It's "God's honest truth?" Ohh I believe it now.

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Old 01-03-2011, 09:59 AM
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Now we know. 9-11 happened just to stop this thread. Don't let it happen again! Stop posting!
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:21 AM
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That's not the most surprising thing about the porno tape. Not only is it really Streisand, but I suspect that you guys haven't seen the complete unedited version of the tape. I have. On the unedited version, there is an extra scene in which Streisand talks about her trips to Hawaii and Kenya. She planted the fake birth certificate for Obama in the records office in Hawaii. She also talks about her plans for the Kennedy assassination, the faking of the moon landing, and the bombs she was going to plant in the World Trade Center. Oh, and she talks about her plans to build the World Trade Center.
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