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Old 05-17-2018, 04:38 PM
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Any Kitchen Knife Experts in the House?

I found a few knives in a back alley, and I'm wondering what brand they are. They have no name on them, but they do have this logo. I'm kind of assuming that they are not any kind of good quality knives (since they were dumped in an alley), but you never know - I've found some astonishingly good quality things in alleys before!

Thanks in advance for your help.
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:52 PM
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I'm no expert.

I've never seen this logo, but the knife is at least made so that to the untrained eye it looks like a good one. It may very well be made exactly to fool people like me who don't know the difference.

My guess is that the main question for this knife is, is it made of good steel or poor steel, which you could tell by sharpening it and using it a bit. Or - worst case - just trying to sharpen it and finding out you can't.
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The logo looks familiar but I can't place it. Not Swilling/Henckels, not Sabatier. Not Wustohf.

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Old 05-17-2018, 05:07 PM
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It's a very stylized, geometric lion rampant, but I can't find any knife brands associated with that logo.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:54 PM
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I'm sorry I can't help identify the knife, but I hope you'll enjoy this clip from the West Wing.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:06 PM
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My google image search didn't come up with anything, either. Mystery knives!
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Is there any country of manufacture mark?
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I've seen that mark on a knife before. Now if I could just remember where?
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:59 PM
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I found a few knives in a back alley, and I'm wondering what brand they are. They have no name on them, but they do have this logo. I'm kind of assuming that they are not any kind of good quality knives (since they were dumped in an alley), but you never know - I've found some astonishingly good quality things in alleys before!

Thanks in advance for your help.
You got your fingerprints on 'em, didn't you?
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Does Löwenbräu makes knives?

Or Peugeot?
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:48 PM
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When I saw the logo I thought of Lion Sabatier but that is not the correct logo. My guess is that it is some kind of Sabatier knockoff from China made of poor quality soft steel that won’t hold an edge, e.g sub-Cutco qualiy knives. You can tell by taking one and honing it up on medium and fine grit stone, then use it to cut some fiberous material or an old towel, and then run a fingernail test (try to shave a very fine curl off of he back of your thumbnail).

I have to admit curiousity at the “astonishingly good quality things” you’ve found in alleys, but I’ve never known a cook to part with even a basically useable knife voluntarily. A spare knife can always be put into service as a traveling knife or to be loaned out without risking damage or loss to their primary roll, so to throw away a knife set probably indicates it was low quality garbage. Some less-than-reputable culinary schools will sell branded knives for premium prices to students that are actually low grade versions of professional quality knives.

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Old 05-17-2018, 07:55 PM
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I agree with the Chinese knock-off theory. The design to me looks like a dead ringer for the Henckels 4 Star line.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:10 PM
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The logo looks familiar but I can't place it. Not Swilling/Henckels, not Sabatier. Not Wustohf.
Sort of a nitpick: "Sabatier" is similar in the (French) knife industry to "Webster's" in the American dictionary one: no one company sells "the" Sabatier knife, no matter how their marketing positions itself.

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Sort of a nitpick: "Sabatier" is similar in the (French) knife industry to "Webster's" in the American dictionary one: no one company sells "the" Sabatier knife, no matter how their marketing positions itself.
I did NOT know that! Thank you!
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I've found some astonishingly good quality things in alleys before.
Such as?
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I'm sorry I can't help identify the knife, but I hope you'll enjoy this clip from the West Wing.
I'm pretty sure my back alley knife wasn't made by Paul Revere.

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Is there any country of manufacture mark?
Nope, no marks at all except the mysterious lion rampant.

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You got your fingerprints on 'em, didn't you?
YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!!!!!
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That logo immediately made me think of peugeot, mostly known as car manufacturer, but I've seen kitchen equipment from them as well (pepper mills). I believe they are considered a fairly premium brand for non professionals.
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<snip> Some less-than-reputable culinary schools will sell branded knives for premium prices to students that are actually low grade versions of professional quality knives.

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I think we have a winner here - I have no problem believing that these are Chinese knock-off knives used by a cooking student.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:59 AM
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As for some examples of really good stuff left in alleys, the first examples that come to mind were a Tristar vacuum cleaner that worked perfectly when a clog was cleared, and a Columbia parka in immaculate condition. I've probably picked up half a dozen vacuum cleaners that had a clog as their only problem. People are weird.
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Nope, just unwilling to learn.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:49 AM
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That logo immediately made me think of peugeot, mostly known as car manufacturer, but I've seen kitchen equipment from them as well (pepper mills). I believe they are considered a fairly premium brand for non professionals.
Peugeot Group does make pepper mills but the only knife I can find is on a shitty overpriced waiter’s corkscrew, and the logo on the knife in the linked picture is not Peugeot; the lion is facing the wrong direction.

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I think we have a winner here - I have no problem believing that these are Chinese knock-off knives used by a cooking student.
Culinary schools are, by and large, massive ripoff factories that overcharge students for everything from books they’ll rarely reference to obligatory cookware that they won’t use outside of class.

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Old 05-18-2018, 11:22 AM
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I'm reflexively leaning toward "knockoff".

Also, was there any human blood on the knives? Because that's the first thing I'd worry about if I found a set of weapons cooking utensils discarded in an alley. Maybe I've watched too many police procedurals.
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I'm reflexively leaning toward "knockoff".

Also, was there any human blood on the knives? Because that's the first thing I'd worry about if I found a set of weapons cooking utensils discarded in an alley. Maybe I've watched too many police procedurals.
Nah, it was in with a bunch of other stuff - my educated guess was apartment clean-out after a tenant left.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:53 PM
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I'm reflexively leaning toward "knockoff".
Same here. What I can see of the handle, it's not very good looking.
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